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Many things about Campy unfortunately are utter non sense. I stopped asking myself why Campagnolo is taking certain actions couple of years ago.
Lack of 1x, 12sp EPS only at Super Record level, forcing ppl to use 160mm rotors front , deforming chain pin after insertion and so and so on. Their EPS still is the best electronic system in the market however the range of applications for it are very tiny given where consumers’ preference are heading. Their mechanical gruppos are very good only until you try a front shift with a mechanical Dura Ace. Hate to say but the FD shifting on current mechanical Shimano DA is unreal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Don't need electronic, discs or 1x. I'm in heaven with the new Chorus 12. Front shifting is great and so is the rear. The new 48/32 and 11-34 meet all of my needs for the mountains.
Whenever a big change occurs, I figure out how to deal with the chain joining immediately. With 11 speed, I got by for 2 years, using wipperman 10 links. With 12 speed, the SRAM eagle 12 link fits good enough, but I've also used the SRAM AXS 12 chain and quick link with it. The AXS link is too narrow for a Campy 12 chain. |
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Can't speak for 12-speed, but for the past 4+ years I've been using KMC chains on my 11-speed Campy Record-equipped bike, and I can't imagine why I would ever want to use a different chain. Performance has been identical to the Record chain that came on the bike, only now I get KMC's quicklink doohickie.
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Which is exactly the reason Shimano suddenly started making quick links after telling people for decades that they were a terrible idea.
(Actually, they only said that their pin was superior, which is stupid)
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KMC may make some expensive models that last, but the x11.93 elongated faster than any chain I've ever owned. No comparison to a Campy chain.
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about to start researching what's available for 11/12 speed potenza or chorus...about to build a new bike... that campy chain tool may be great, but dang, it's expensive... |
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This was one reason I decided to skip over C12 when building my Battaglin. The FD is pretty similar to DA9000 in function and while DA9000 was nice, it’s nowhere near as nice as 9100 which has such better front shifting thanks to the new FD. Seemed silly to pay a premium for outdated tech.
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'Where the customer's preference is heading"..electronic with all 3 makers is still a road oriented group. DA biggest cogset? 30t. GROAD, altho it makes a lot of noise, is still a small part of the market. 160mm front, well, most I've seen(granted, from afar) opt for a 160mm front rotor for 'groad' bikes. 'Peening' a pn isn't 'deforming' a pin but a way to make the chain link stronger..yes, be nice to have a 12s Campag quicklink but..it's a chainlink OBTW-1by 13s coming soon, from Campag....and DA front mechanical shifting is nice, but somewhat 'vague', IMHO..feels like first gen Campag 11s soft click system found on Centaur and Veloce...AND, to really get great DA front shifting, you had to wait for 9100...
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Campy has tested the quick links out there and they've found them to not be as durable and reliable as the master pin system. So they don't want to use them. Has nothing to do with a patent. They've bought the use of patents in the past. Look pedals, chains, cassettes, slant parallelograms and index shifting. They just gave money to Shimano for the use of the centerlock design. They are paying Magura for brakes and rotors right now. Campagnolo will pay for it if it's the best system available. They don't think a quick link is. It's that simple.
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As for the Connex 12 quick link, I've seen 12 speed chains in the works. Nothing out for sale yet though. Just use KMC ones for the time being. |
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I kind of wish they'd do one just so it's easier. But they've done the testing and say they aren't as strong. So it is what it is I guess. Plenty of other people make them.
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