Sram engineering + reliability strike again

[Jaybee]

Many racers have had issues w chain drops using front derailleurs. Andy Schleck v. Contador 2010 comes to mind.

I wonder if they are using the 3T cassette instead of the SRAM version.

[charliedid]

Originally Posted by colker

There is zero trouble w/a front derrailleur. Perfect chainline w/ 2x. Perfect tight gearing.
1x on road racing bikes is bad.
The end.

Maybe,

Just curious how many miles you have an a 1X system?

[colker]

Originally Posted by charliedid

Maybe,

Just curious how many miles you have an a 1X system?

I will never have any miles on 1x system on racing road bikes.
I am sorry for the team and it´s riders who were forced to ride under horrible technical conditions just so a couple companies could sell a stupid idea on the market.

[charliedid]

Originally Posted by colker

I will never have any miles on 1x system on racing road bikes.
I am sorry for the team and it´s riders who were forced to ride under horrible technical conditions just so a couple companies could sell a stupid idea on the market.

That's fine and for the record I don't know that 1x on road racing bikes it the best thing but it's kind of lake saying you hate apples but never tried one.

[rain dogs]

So, 3T makes a fairly standard geometry road bike and partners with Sram who are happily pushing 1x for road (hence this Aqua Blue Bike Project) and although SRAM designs the system and optimizes it for certain chainstay lengths it is 3T's fault for making a standard geo road bike? Ha! Was 3T supposed to make a mountain bike for the TdF?

Color me confused.

If Sram can't make a 1x that works reliably on a road bike, don't push your PR and marketing for road use.... No one's fault but their own. If Sram felt like the bike wouldn't have been compatible, it is wholly their responsibility to say their system isn't recommended for that use. They obviously haven't done that.

BTW... they Aqua Blue regularly use Sram cassettes. Look at nearly every bike review of their bikes, the vast majority have Sram cassettes. This is a Sram cassette is it not?



And this is a picture of Mark Christian #182 from the TDS where this controversy started. He's using and all Sram drivetrain - cassette, chain, chainrings and cranks

[unterhausen]

Originally Posted by rain dogs

BTW... they Aqua Blue regularly use Sram cassettes. Look at nearly every bike review of their bikes, the vast majority have Sram cassettes. This is a Sram cassette is it not?

Looks like they might have mixed cassettes, which may or may not work depending on the ramps. But is that really a 407 chain stay length?

Originally Posted by rain dogs

[unterhausen]

Okay, looking at it again, they have seat tube way behind the bb for aero, it probably is a 407 chainstay.

[vqdriver]

So just how much say does a team actually have in deciding what to ride?
Y'all making it seem like they HAVE to do what the sponsor says. But i find it hard to believe the team didnt agree to ride 1x road disc to be the poster child for sram.

If the he had taken the stage, i doubt they would have declined any media coverage

[vqdriver]

And fwiw, I hate whenever athletes or teams get into spats with their sponsors. Before the fact they're courting each other and then afterward it always gets ugly and nasty. I don't care if it's cycling or basketball or tennis or football. There hasn't been an instance of this where you say at the end "well that was a classy way to handle it"

[batman1425]

Originally Posted by vqdriver

So just how much say does a team actually have in deciding what to ride?
Y'all making it seem like they HAVE to do what the sponsor says. But i find it hard to believe the team didnt agree to ride 1x road disc to be the poster child for sram.

If the he had taken the stage, i doubt they would have declined any media coverage

I have to agree with this too. This case might be different though as the title sponsor is in cycling retail. The big money provider my have requirements for certain lower tier sponsors.

[vqdriver]

Originally Posted by batman1425

I have to agree with this too. This case might be different though as the title sponsor is in cycling retail. The big money provider my have requirements for certain lower tier sponsors.

Yeah, dunno about that, i simply dont know the intricacies of these deals where the actual equipment can make or break a season. But it seems they were cashing checks until something goes sideways on a big stage. If indeed they were having so many technical issues, this was a known problem that should have been ironed it out ages ago.

Ill add that if dropped chains are really an issue for them when cx, downhill, enduro, etc riders are doing just fine on 1x then it seems its more of a compatibility issue than a hardware failing.

Regardless, deal with it internally or ride better to have more sway with your sponsors. What you dont do is publicly embarrass the people who are enabling your season in the first place. That is just unprofessional

[sitzmark]

Originally Posted by vqdriver

Regardless, deal with it internally or ride better to have more sway with your sponsors. What you dont do is publicly embarrass the people who are enabling your season in the first place. That is just unprofessional

+++++

[unterhausen]

good luck getting an equipment sponsor going forward.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by unterhausen

good luck getting an equipment sponsor going forward.

I’ll be willing to bet that $20 if they asked shimano, even now, they’d get groups. Probably could find a frame sponsor too. These guys love to snatch a team from one another.

[simonov]

Originally Posted by unterhausen

Okay, looking at it again, they have seat tube way behind the bb for aero, it probably is a 407 chainstay.

It's not. According to their own website, they're 405 chainstays with a 71 bb drop. Depending on the size of the crank that could be below SRAM's specification or, at best, at the limits of what that group was designed for. Especially when they're not using SRAM cassettes some or much of the time.

As for all the arguments that SRAM is pushing 1x, other than offering a 1x alternative, for which there's a clear market, how are they pushing it? They still offer FDs for all their road groups.