Confessions of a life long campy guy

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Dave

Small hands or perhaps more flexible thumbs must be an advantage. I never have to move my hands.

SRAM seems to have abandoned their mechanical systems. The new force 12 AXS group costs twice the price of chorus 12, unless its purchased on an OEM bike.

Which is 'interesting' considering when they were the only group maker w/o an electronic group, sram made ads that said 'batteries not included', then make groups with 4...

No doubt sram sees the 'future' as 1by, wet disc brakes and electronic..

Glad the other 2 don't see mechanical 2by(and rim brakes)groups as irrelevant.

Yup, sram is making frame makers offers 'they can't refuse'...

I have yet to see anyone with a SRAM tattoo.

HA..won't be buying anything sram(or shimano), ever..

[NHAero]

The Firefly I bought last year here came with Campy Record 11. I so wanted to love it! But the ergonomics didn't work for me at all. didn't like moving my hands to shift the thumb levers, and in cold weather with gloves hated the tiny upshift lever. Love Shimano (and I've only switched to STI from barcons two-three years ago.)
I have SRAM 11s XX1 on my MTB and I've done nothing to it in over four years of riding. Bombproof!

[fmradio516]

i love campy 10s... Im still new to campy 11(like, one test ride, new) but im already having mixed feelings about it. the shifts feel so different than 10 and im not sure if its just this particular setup, but sometimes, the big shift blade gets in a stuck position(cock-eyed slighty) and I cant move the thumbshifter at all until i pull the shift blade back in its place. Hoping this is just a "me" problem..

and yes, SRAM all the way for mountain bikes! Though, i did hear that Shimano is coming out with a 12s group where you will be able to shift under load!

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by fmradio516

i love campy 10s... Im still new to campy 11(like, one test ride, new) but im already having mixed feelings about it. the shifts feel so different than 10 and im not sure if its just this particular setup, but sometimes, the big shift blade gets in a stuck position(cock-eyed slighty) and I cant move the thumbshifter at all until i pull the shift blade back in its place. Hoping this is just a "me" problem..

and yes, SRAM all the way for mountain bikes! Though, i did hear that Shimano is coming out with a 12s group where you will be able to shift under load!

Could be the wee bolts that hold the front and back guts together have gotten loose. OR the brake blade, as attached to the brake cable, has some slop in it and the brake blade isn't being pulled all the way forward..

?? Modern MTB systems, even sram, should be adjusted such that you can shift these 'under load', even the front der..particularly with a shimano cogset and chain f on sram MTB stuff..

[Hilltopperny]

I have been a Campagnolo user ever since first trying the 8spd ergo years back and have tried everything up to 12spd Record. It has been my preferred company for road bike shifting and braking over the years, but the others work as well. Having downsized a bit and now with only one pure road bike, a fat tire disk bike and a few mountain bikes I am running all three of the major brands.

I have always preferred the actuation and feel of Campagnolo over Shimano and Sram. It is also more aesthetically pleasing to my eye, but other than some poor Sram braking issues on an older set of hydros they have all been pretty reliable and fully functional. I may give Campagnolo hydro a shot after I wear out my Shimano stuff on the Drifter, but that will likely be years down the road.

I have used everything from Sram Red-Apex 1x and not had any issues so far. They feel better in my hands than Shimano and only slightly less than Campagnolo. Shimano is a bit clunkier and the shifts seem to give a little less feedback.

Ride what you like is all I can say. They are all functionally great at this point and even the more basic group sets will get you out riding without any major drawbacks for those not racing. Srams big game changer to me is Etap. It is a phenomenal system and looks clean. I still run mechanical as it just works for me, but being able to dump an entire cassette especially on a Mountain bike is pretty amazing and beneficial.



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[Black Dog]

Originally Posted by kiwisimon

Campy for two decades and SRAM the last 10 years. The flexibility with Shimano parts is a consideration. I won't be going back to Campy.

Can you give some context to this statement?

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Black Dog

Can you give some context to this statement?

Not to me but I'll bet that 'some' sram groups benefit from shimano cogsets and chains, as an example...

[peanutgallery]

Cassette and wheels. Lots a of availability, options and price points without having to look too far. Something tells me that we won't see a lot of thru axle wheels with a campy body ready to go out of a box without laying down some coin and waiting a while

Originally Posted by Black Dog

Can you give some context to this statement?

[Spaghetti Legs]

The Madonna just shed a tear

[AngryScientist]

yea yea yea.

we get it; some of you would rather drive an automatic Honda Accord than a 911 because it's cheaper and more "practical".

have fun with that.

[fmradio516]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Could be the wee bolts that hold the front and back guts together have gotten loose. OR the brake blade, as attached to the brake cable, has some slop in it and the brake blade isn't being pulled all the way forward..

Checked the wee bolts prior to install the other day as per your advice. One of the rears was a little loose but the fronts were ok. and just checked for brake cable slop and its not that. Pretty sure its happened twice but my mind isnt so great. going to see if it happens again.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by fmradio516

Checked the wee bolts prior to install the other day as per your advice. One of the rears was a little loose but the fronts were ok. and just checked for brake cable slop and its not that. Pretty sure its happened twice but my mind isnt so great. going to see if it happens again.

Yup, the shift lever blade 'may' be dragging on the back of the brake lever blade..'why' is tough to ascertain w/o seeing it...

[fmradio516]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Yup, the shift lever blade 'may' be dragging on the back of the brake lever blade..'why' is tough to ascertain w/o seeing it...

Well im glad i didnt use the good bar tape yet

I'll use the new bike to commute into work today to get some miles on it and see if it keeps happening.

[Dave]

The days of SRAM- Shimano cross compatibility are just about over. SRAM uses the new XDR free hub and shimano will soon all be microspline. Campy and SRAM 12 sprocket spacing is nearly identical and already considered cross compatible. If shimano fails to be compatible when their 12 speed comes out, then they will be the odd man out.

Campy already makes through axle hubs with the XDR free hub with the Fulcrum brand.

Even the 12 speed chains are proving to be not that much different. I've taken more measurements on the AXS chain and found that even though the AXS rollers are .0065 inch larger, a caliper measurement between the rollers on two adjacent pairs of outer plates is greater than a Campy 12 chain, not smaller, as one would expect. Full length checks are also showing the chain a little short on overall length. No clue if that's intentional or not. The AXS chain is supposed to have the same 1/2 inch pitch.

[tuscanyswe]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Could be the wee bolts that hold the front and back guts together have gotten loose. OR the brake blade, as attached to the brake cable, has some slop in it and the brake blade isn't being pulled all the way forward..

?? Modern MTB systems, even sram, should be adjusted such that you can shift these 'under load', even the front der..particularly with a shimano cogset and chain f on sram MTB stuff..

It can also be the hoods getting in the way i have at least had that happen to me.