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Old 09-10-2019, 12:09 PM
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Upgrade to Campy 11s or 12s?

3 of my bikes are outfitted with Campy 10s but I’m looking to “upgrade” to 11s or 12s on at least one of my rigs through the next couple of months. There are no issues with my 10s gear...... just looking for some newer shifty bits and selling my 10s gear here on PL. A few questions:

- i know 11s cassettes work with no issue on any of my 10s FHB’s but is the same also true for 12s?
- most of my stuff right now is either Record or Chorus and I’d probably be sticking with the same on this upgrade. 12s so far has only been available as Record or SR but looking on the Campy website it looks like Chorus is also available as 12s now..... maybe that’s new recently?
- any experience on 12s versus 11s on functionality and longevity? I don’t swap components or upgrade a whole bunch so looking for something with a LONG life. the 10s stuff has been flawless in that department.

Any comments appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:13 PM
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Put me down as interested as well, I'm in the same boat as you OP. The thing that has turned my head is the Chorus 12 speed with a 32/48 crank. I use 34/48s on all my 10 speed Campy equipped bikes now and I have two frames that need components.
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:19 PM
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About a week ago I heard Campy NA was about to get more Chorus 12 in stock. I'd go with Chorus 12 since it's a better value relative to the other groups and you might as well go with the latest thing even though Campy supports older stuff for a long time. I understand the 12 speed cassettes work on existing hubs. By the time you need a new cassette, Potenza will probably be 12 speed if you want to save money and don't mind a few extra grams. I don't believe you can do 53-39 rings with Chorus if that matters to you, but a 52-11 is only too small a top gear if you're getting paid to ride or close to that level. The ergonomics of the newer levers is really nice.
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:37 PM
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You can't get a 53/39 Chorus 12 crank, but there shouldn't be a problem with a record 12 crank and probably no problem with an 11 speed crank. Chorus offers 53/36, 50/34 and 48/32 cranks.

The chorus 12 shifting shifting is excellent. If you don't want to spend a lot for the campy chain tool, a cheap park tool will work to shorten the chain. A kmc 12 or sram eagle quick link will join a Campy chain. I find that the sram axs 12 chain also works and is quieter.

I have the 48/32 with 11-34 cassette.
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:43 PM
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I'd imagine upgrading from 10s to 12s would be a huge significant jump in performance.. I went from 1st/2nd gen 11s to the 3rd gen 11s and the performance of shifting was night and day. Campy still has that snappy shifting characteristic but the front shifting is Shimano like now. The rear shifts are butter smooth too!
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:40 PM
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3 of my bikes are outfitted with Campy 10s but I’m looking to “upgrade” to 11s or 12s on at least one of my rigs through the next couple of months. There are no issues with my 10s gear...... just looking for some newer shifty bits and selling my 10s gear here on PL. A few questions:

- i know 11s cassettes work with no issue on any of my 10s FHB’s but is the same also true for 12s?
- most of my stuff right now is either Record or Chorus and I’d probably be sticking with the same on this upgrade. 12s so far has only been available as Record or SR but looking on the Campy website it looks like Chorus is also available as 12s now..... maybe that’s new recently?
- any experience on 12s versus 11s on functionality and longevity? I don’t swap components or upgrade a whole bunch so looking for something with a LONG life. the 10s stuff has been flawless in that department.

Any comments appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Record 12s on Merlin cost $1200, Chorus 11S cost $960 and Chorus 12s from the cheapest place I can find cost about $1100. If I buy new I would go with 12s record. 12s RD let you choose 11 29 or 11 32 which are the two option you will ever need. Go with Record 12s. https://www.merlincycles.com/campagn...et-120859.html
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:32 PM
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Record 12s on Merlin cost $1200, Chorus 11S cost $960 and Chorus 12s from the cheapest place I can find cost about $1100. If I buy new I would go with 12s record. 12s RD let you choose 11 29 or 11 32 which are the two option you will ever need. Go with Record 12s. https://www.merlincycles.com/campagn...et-120859.html
Your link to merlin cycles shows $1419 for Record and they don't show any Chorus 12, in my search. I found Chorus 12 for $1060 at pinkjersey.com.

My reason for buying Chorus 12 was the 48/32 crank and 11-34 cassette. Neither is available with Record.

What you might need depends on where you ride and how old you are.
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:38 PM
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Your link to merlin cycles shows $1419 for Record and they don't show any Chorus 12, in my search. I found Chorus 12 for $1060 at pinkjersey.com.

My reason for buying Chorus 12 was the 48/32 crank and 11-34 cassette. Neither is available with Record.

What you might need depends on where you ride and how old you are.
it didn't show you the 10% off on the top? it does on mine
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:40 PM
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i know 11s cassettes work with no issue on any of my 10s FHB’s but is the same also true for 12s?


If your hubs are Chris King, they won't take 12s.

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Old 09-11-2019, 07:02 AM
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it didn't show you the 10% off on the top? it does on mine
I bought the 12s Record set from Merlin a couple months ago and got the 10% discount. It came in about a week and it all works fine. I have noticed that Record only is supposed to work with a max 32 tooth rear cog and Chorus 12s offer a 34. Wonder if the Record RD has a slightly shorter cage?

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Old 09-11-2019, 07:48 AM
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I bought the 12s Record set from Merlin a couple months ago and got the 10% discount. It came in about a week and it all works fine. I have noticed that Record only is supposed to work with a max 32 tooth rear cog and Chorus 12s offer a 34. Wonder if the Record RD has a slightly shorter cage?

Tim
It does..the Chorus cage is described as 'medium'...BUT I'm thinking that since Campag specs are conservative, I'll bet SR/Record 12s rear der can handle a 34t..
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:06 AM
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The chorus cage measures 73mm center to center between the pulleys.
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:16 AM
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I have 11 on all my bikes and its great but if I was to buy something campy right now, and was new I would probably do 12.

My only issue is that I love using shimano cassettes and I would not be able to do that but so is life.
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:49 PM
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3 of my bikes are outfitted with Campy 10s but I’m looking to “upgrade” to 11s or 12s on at least one of my rigs through the next couple of months. There are no issues with my 10s gear...... just looking for some newer shifty bits and selling my 10s gear here on PL. A few questions:

- i know 11s cassettes work with no issue on any of my 10s FHB’s but is the same also true for 12s?
- most of my stuff right now is either Record or Chorus and I’d probably be sticking with the same on this upgrade. 12s so far has only been available as Record or SR but looking on the Campy website it looks like Chorus is also available as 12s now..... maybe that’s new recently?
- any experience on 12s versus 11s on functionality and longevity? I don’t swap components or upgrade a whole bunch so looking for something with a LONG life. the 10s stuff has been flawless in that department.

Any comments appreciated. Thanks in advance.
-yes
-yes plus sub compact crank
-11s levers AND 12s very different innards than 10s. No shift springs or spring carrier to break. 12s is very new but should be on par with 11s, which has been out for a decade(2009 intro)...functionality? Flawless...Campagnolo makes small changes all the time they don’t yell about...11s and 12s works and lasts exceptionally well.
Like 9s and 10s and 11s and 12s, Campagnolo did it first, the others follow( except road Shimano, stuck in 11s and sram, ZERO mechanical 12s groups....oh well.
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:59 PM
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I have Record 12 on my Ottrott and it is very nice, but can't speak to its longevity yet. The shifting is precise and smooth. All of the Campagnolo stuff I have had in the past has worked forever so I do not forsee a problem with the new stuff.

I also have the newest version of Chorus 11 on my Merckx and it is very nice as well. I think it is one of the nicest groupsets I have ever used and it functions excellent as well. If I didnt have the 12spd record it would be a hard group to beat. No experience with the new 12 spd chorus, but the levers are now alloy instead of carbon if that matters and it is a bit heavier.

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