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Old 01-29-2021, 08:04 AM
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The lack of punishment for killing someone is not acceptable.
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Old 01-29-2021, 12:07 PM
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Six to eight months isn't nothing, but it isn't enough. Six to eight years sounds more in line with her level of disregard for human life.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:41 AM
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https://globalnews.ca/news/7676500/a...fet-tairowksi/

Woman sentenced to house arrest for fatal hit-and-run of Markham cyclist

A 26-year-old woman was sentenced in connection with the death of a 54-year-old man who was struck and killed while riding his bike in Markham in June 2020.

Alexandra Forrestall was sentenced on Thursday to a 12-month conditional sentence, two years probation, 100 hours of community service and a three-year driving ban after pleading guilty to failing to stop after an accident causing the death of Safet Tairowski.

In his reasons for sentence over zoom, Justice Edward Prutschi called the circumstances of this case “a colossal tragedy that has utterly destroyed two extended families.”

He acknowledged that the sentence would likely attract criticism from some who will view it as too lenient and others who will see it as unnecessarily strict or lengthy.

On June 15, 2020, at 8:20 am, Forrestall, an early childhood educator who had been laid off from the daycare where she worked, was driving to her babysitting job in Stouffville.

As she was driving along Carlton Road in Markham, her car struck Tairowski who was out enjoying a morning bike ride.

According to an agreed statement of facts, Tairowski was struck from behind by Forrestall and suffered fatal injuries. The medical evidence suggested he was mortally wounded from the collision and beyond the help of medical assistance almost immediately.

Forrestall, whose vehicle was badly damaged, knew she had struck a person and thought he was dead, but did not stop nor remain at the scene to offer assistance.

An expert accident reconstructionist concluded that environmental factors were at play in the collision and on that specific day and time, the sun would have been shining in Forrestall’s face obscuring the windshield of her car as she proceeded eastbound.

Forrestall continued on to a Tim Hortons coffee shop approximately 20 minutes away. She later called her mother and concocted a story that her car had been hit by a truck in the Tim Horton’s parking lot. She repeated her lies to her employer and then called the collision reporting centre and told them the fabricated story. She also met a York Regional Police officer and repeated her lies.

The following day, when she went to an autobody shop to retrieve her car, she was met by York police and arrested. She then admitted to police what had really happened.

During a sentencing hearing in late January, Forrestall apologized to the Tairowski family.

Justice Prutschi said, “It was apparent that Forestall experienced deep regret and was emotionally overwhelmed by the enormity of her actions.”

He also noted that she has no prior criminal record, has suffered from depression and anxiety since her late teens for which she has been prescribed medication, and has a history of severe panic attacks.

“Shortly after the accident, Forrestall experienced frequent suicidal thoughts and had to be monitored closely by her family to prevent self-harm,” Prutschi said.

Forrestall has also been advised that upon her conviction, the Canadian College of Educators would be revoking her licence to practise.

As part of her conditional sentence, Forrestall will have to spend the first six months of her conditional sentence living under strict house arrest. She will only be allowed to leave her house once a week for four hours to obtain the necessities of life, or for medical emergencies or to complete community service hours.

For the remaining six months, she must live under house arrest with a curfew from 9 p.m. until 6 a.m. During the entire 12-month period, she is not allowed to have any visitors in her home except immediate family members. Forrestall must also complete 100 hours of community service.

Forrestall’s three-year driving ban runs concurrently with the conditional sentence and two years of probation she received. She can drive again after three years.

She was also ordered to submit her DNA for the DNA databank.

Crown attorney Bradley Juriansz asked for a custodial sentence of six to eight months in jail, while defence lawyer Seth Weinstein recommended a five-month conditional sentence.

Juriansz told Prutschi two other charges, public mischief and obstructing justice, were withdrawn.

Tairowski’s sister, Cindy Ismail, told Global News after the sentence that the family is outraged and angry about the sentence.

“It’s hard to believe that anybody who can do this, can just get a one-year conditional sentence,” Ismail said adding that it’s upsetting for her family that Forrestall is allowed to live under house arrest and still see family since she lives with her parents and other family members are not prevented from coming over.

“People who have done less, have got more. It’s all unfair,” Ismail said, wiping away tears.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:51 AM
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The ONLY thing this POS regrets is that she got caught in the lie. She'll continue to do s**t and pull the victim card.
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:16 AM
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From the original link/ article, her lawyer is Seth Weinstein.

The Seth Weinstein from Greenspan-Humphrey-Weinstein LLP who has rep'ed Justin Beiber.
Greenspan is the lawyer in the Barry/ Honey Sherman case.

There's some $16M dollar company in Markham called Forrestall Group.

So put two and two together....
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:24 AM
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Veloo thanks for the info that snaps things into sharper focus. Family has the means to bail her out of trouble...
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:39 AM
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so sad and unfair.

but not surprised at all.
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:47 AM
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having money makes a HUGE difference in criminal defense. HUGE.

HUGE.

as to the justice or lack done here... this is why we have judges, and i for one dont feel better qualified than a judge to know whats appropriate. i can tell you however that "deals" have a LOT more to do with the prosecutor's willingness to press a case than the judge's whims. if you have good defense counsel, a prosecutor is going to push a lot less hard on his end, and better deals can be had. the judge ultimately has all authority in the courtroom, but all parties - judge and opposing counsel - typically agree to these deals before sentencing in the courtroom.

if youre repped by a public defender with a longstanding working relationship with the da's office, the PD isnt going to harden his relationship with the prosecutor by fighting too hard for you. likewise, the prosecutor knows the pd's habits and resources and knows how hard he can fight.

repped by a good, retained attorney who owes the prosecutor nothing and will have no inhibitions regarding making everyones life hell in pretrial and actually has great incentive to go to trial, with all sorts of resources... prosecutors are much more willing to make deals just to ensure a conviction and keep their limited resources as liberated as possible, with full dockets.

judges usually go with what prosecutors will agree to, because what else can he do anyway?

we have an absurd justice system for a lot of reasons. its rarely as simple as "the judge gave them a slap on the wrist."

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Old 03-05-2021, 11:56 AM
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It’s truly unbelievable that you can try to conceal a fatal hit & run and get caught without coming forward and still pretty much get away with it.
House arrest....what a joke.


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Old 03-05-2021, 12:13 PM
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Defense attorneys and judges never put themselves in the victims shoes. If they did in this case, and it was THEIR family member murdered by this girl who tried to cover it up numerous times, they'd agree the sentence is a complete joke. She will learn absolutely nothing.
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Old 03-05-2021, 12:43 PM
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Velocipede I'm going to disagree with you a bit. I have been in local and county courts in my region for the last 25 years. There is defense counsel have ZERO morals or empathy. There are a good number of defense lawyers and MOST of the judges I've dealt with empathize and many times struggle with what they are bound to do under the law.

A defense atty's job is to get the best he/she can for the client. The judge has their rules that they are required to stay within as well as keep the proceedings as best as they can between the lines.

One of the best and most fair judges that I've watched on the bench was THE best defense atty in our region before he was elected to the bench.
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Old 03-05-2021, 12:49 PM
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House "arrest" during a pandemic isn't a punishment at all. She basically gets off scot free aside from losing her license for a couple years. It's INSANE that she fled the scene, lied, and covered up her involvement and STILL gets off with no serious charges. AT MINIMUM take her license forever.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:27 PM
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:41 PM
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having money makes a HUGE difference in criminal defense. HUGE.

HUGE.

as to the justice or lack done here... this is why we have judges, and i for one dont feel better qualified than a judge to know whats appropriate. i can tell you however that "deals" have a LOT more to do with the prosecutor's willingness to press a case than the judge's whims. if you have good defense counsel, a prosecutor is going to push a lot less hard on his end, and better deals can be had. the judge ultimately has all authority in the courtroom, but all parties - judge and opposing counsel - typically agree to these deals before sentencing in the courtroom.

if youre repped by a public defender with a longstanding working relationship with the da's office, the PD isnt going to harden his relationship with the prosecutor by fighting too hard for you. likewise, the prosecutor knows the pd's habits and resources and knows how hard he can fight.

repped by a good, retained attorney who owes the prosecutor nothing and will have no inhibitions regarding making everyones life hell in pretrial and actually has great incentive to go to trial, with all sorts of resources... prosecutors are much more willing to make deals just to ensure a conviction and keep their limited resources as liberated as possible, with full dockets.

judges usually go with what prosecutors will agree to, because what else can he do anyway?

we have an absurd justice system for a lot of reasons. its rarely as simple as "the judge gave them a slap on the wrist."
And how do you know this??
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Old 03-05-2021, 02:31 PM
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I really would like more details about the incident itself. Accidents do happen even when people are driving responsibly.

Lying and making up a cover story isn’t necessarily an admission of irresponsible driving behavior, but it is easy to make that assumption.

Bicycles + Automobiles = dead cyclists no matter how well behaved everyone is.

Perhaps this was just an unfortunate accident.

The sentence does sound light to me though.
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