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Old 06-29-2020, 11:30 AM
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If the frame includes the split ring bearing seats you can use an FSA Orbit IS headset which does not include the split rings. My frame did not have the split rings so i bought the Look branded headset off Amazon which does invclude the split rings. It also included a metal crown race which i did not need because my fork has a molded crown race in the carbon. It also included a Look expander plug which did not fit my steerer tube because it has an oval interior shape. I used a Profile Gap Cap which fits from 1 inch up to 1 1/8.

The headset came from Mikes Bike in NB Canada. Took a while but no problem.
There is also a Cane Creek headset which does not include the split ring bearing seats.
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Old 06-29-2020, 11:52 AM
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Wasn't there a tie-in between Cyfac and Look at one time? These are great looking frames. Are they still making carbon frames at all?

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Old 06-29-2020, 12:09 PM
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Old 06-29-2020, 12:40 PM
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If the frame includes the split ring bearing seats you can use an FSA Orbit IS headset which does not include the split rings. My frame did not have the split rings so i bought the Look branded headset off Amazon which does invclude the split rings. It also included a metal crown race which i did not need because my fork has a molded crown race in the carbon. It also included a Look expander plug which did not fit my steerer tube because it has an oval interior shape. I used a Profile Gap Cap which fits from 1 inch up to 1 1/8.

The headset came from Mikes Bike in NB Canada. Took a while but no problem.
There is also a Cane Creek headset which does not include the split ring bearing seats.
Yes--take a look at this Paceline thread where I was discussing what is needed. I was able to source the split ring/thrust washer directly from Hawley, who took over from Look USA. No retail part number on the washers--I had a local shop who had an account with Hawley order them directly from the Customer Service guy that I spoke with. I ended up paying them $20 at the shop for the hassle. Once I had those, the Orbit headset fit perfectly. At some point, there were headsets sold WITH the thrust washers, but none I could find now--except that Look that was posted--and I was unable to find that when I was looking.:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=225374

My RBR thread where I went through the whole project--Cane Creek number included there:
https://forums.roadbikereview.com/lo...-a-355647.html

Park Tools give you a good picture of the install of these headsets--they are not proprietary--just old:
https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...icle-section-5

Microspacers are available from Jensons.
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Next place the tapered spacer tube on top. On the straight 1-1/8" Look steering tubes, this is usually an FSA carbon piece. This is where spacing problems usually seem to occur. Sometimes thin shims are needed on top of the split ring retainer, to raise up the tapered spacer so it doesn't rub against the top of the head tube. It sort of depends upon what tapered spacer is used. Most Look with the original headset seem to have two, three or four of these very thin shims in there. Thin spacers can be bought from Jenson, Tree Fort, Performance, etc.
Headset install instructions are attached--it shows the whole assembly.
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Specific feature of the steering assembly
and the frame:
The frame’s head tube internal bearing
assembly contains two removable inner
and outer bearing thrust rings, patented
by LOOK. These rings are installed at
the factory but may be replaced if they
are damaged… This system provides
added protection to the frame’s head tube
assembly.
This is not that proprietary--just first generation integrated. Giant for one used a very similar setup.

Edit to add a picture of mine--first setup with 3T Funda fork:


And a picture of it closer to dialed in:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/attac...1&d=1534716495
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Old 06-29-2020, 04:09 PM
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They called it "Tangerine"



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I ended up with both a Tangerine 585 and a 586.... (".38 / .39 - whatever it takes"). Both are great riding bikes, but I think the 586 is a tad more supple and is closer to my Ti bikes in the way it soaks up road chatter. The 585 is the better climber / descender, but that is likely due to wheels and a slightly more aggressive set-up.

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Old 06-29-2020, 07:18 PM
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I really miss my 585. Pox on the scumbag who broke into my house and stole it.

PS if anyone needs a copy of the 585 manual for the HSC 5 fork and headset, I have an copy that I could send you.
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:26 PM
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Will stick this here and in PSAs.

This looks a nice bike/alternative.

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...149871659.html
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:52 PM
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Been casually looking for a LOOK 585 Optimum XL for a while. People who have them must love them – I never see them come up for sale.

Can you put 28 tires on them? The sportive geometry + fat tires sound like a dream for long rides.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:12 PM
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Been casually looking for a LOOK 585 Optimum XL for a while. People who have them must love them – I never see them come up for sale.

Can you put 28 tires on them? The sportive geometry + fat tires sound like a dream for long rides.
Some 28s yes. Not GranPrix 4K 28s. But I don't have an Optimum, but being they use the same fork, and rear end??


But on my Origin 25s feel like 28s do on my other bikes frankly.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:33 PM
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But on my Origin 25s feel like 28s do on my other bikes frankly.
Oh man now I have to find one just to feel the plush ride.

Other than geometry, did they change anything else on the Optimum? Same stiffness as Origin?
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Old 06-29-2020, 11:10 PM
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Been casually looking for a LOOK 585 Optimum XL for a while. People who have them must love them – I never see them come up for sale.

Can you put 28 tires on them? The sportive geometry + fat tires sound like a dream for long rides.
Just measured my Optimum with HED wheels & 25mm rims, 700c25 Conti GP4000 tire, which measure a true 27.2mm. Enough safe clearances on front fork, seat stay and chain stays but a plump 28 would not fit.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:01 AM
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I think it will be hard to find the bearing races. Without all the pieces I wouldn’t buy it. Perhaps someone else has an idea.
thanks for all the helpful info saab2000...seller contacted me and told me the frame comes with the headset.

I sent him the headset manual pdf to verify that all the pieces listed there come with the headset he has. Waiting to hear back.

Seller also made me aware of the 'shorter' top tube. I was surprised by that. Only 52 on a size M frame. I would have to get a longer stem to help with reach. Not a problem. The stack looks to be fine, over 16 for the head tube, but i'll probably need to use most of the 300mm steerer with spacers. That will have to be figured out over a few rides i guess.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:54 AM
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:25 AM
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Wow ... perfectly balanced! And a great photo!
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:38 AM
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Wow ... perfectly balanced! And a great photo!
Agree 100%. BTW, what wheels do you have on there?
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