The official Campagnolo WRL discussion thread

[m_sasso]

Originally Posted by KonaSS

Finally, troubleshooting with the small wireless cheap batteries is much easier. My Shimano Di2 bike does have a problem.. Only holds a charge for a couple weeks. We have tried replacing the battery, which was a 3 day shop visit. But nothing has worked so far. I guess the next step is another shop visit so they can check the internal wires and try and find the gremlin in the system. More cost and more time without a bike. With Sram, I would have tried a new battery in 3 seconds and had an answer if that was the problem.

That is a pretty easy problem to diagnose: Using a test switch and digital ammeter is the simplest, most accurate way to measure parasitic drain directly. A test switch goes between the negative battery terminal and negative battery cable.

On a car however same procedure on a bicycle https://www.wikihow.com/Find-a-Parasitic-Battery-Drain

[Old School]

Originally Posted by BdaGhisallo

Probably wanted to keep the derailleurs to a reasonable size, and I appreciate that.

Actually the Shimano "battery in the axle" is yet another workaround to avoid Srams (clever yet overarching) patents for "battery on derailleur".

[m_sasso]

Originally Posted by Old School

Actually the Shimano "battery in the axle" is yet another workaround to avoid Srams (clever yet overarching) patents for "battery on derailleur".

I assume you are talking power meters and not derailleurs?

[Ryun]

Originally Posted by Coffee Rider

That sounds promising.

Does sound more like what Id expect from Campy.

These groups seem to be impossible to find anytime soon. Kind of curious (jealous) where he got his...

[Coffee Rider]

Originally Posted by Ryun

Does sound more like what Id expect from Campy.

These groups seem to be impossible to find anytime soon. Kind of curious (jealous) where he got his...

No idea, but I've been told I'll need to wait a while.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by m_sasso

I assume you are talking power meters and not derailleurs?

No. Referring to the unreleased Shimano wireless rear derailleur.

I will attach pics when I find them.

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by Old School

Actually the Shimano "battery in the axle" is yet another workaround to avoid Srams (clever yet overarching) patents for "battery on derailleur".

I find it exceptionally hard to believe that SRAM has a valid patent on a battery attached to an electronic derailleur. One of the criteria for patents is that they invention be non-obvious - and attaching a battery to a battery powered device is about as about as obvious as you can get.

Sadly, patent examiners no longer examine patents, and let just about anything through. The current thinking seems to be that a patent is a just a federally recognized rubber stamp, with no research into whether it even merits being patented. It is then left to the lawyers and the courts to determine whether the patent is really valid or not. Unfortunately, the result is that the deepest pockets will win any IP challenges.

(Actually, various shenanigans int the patent office isn't that new. Just google "Elisha Grey telephone patent" or "Marconi radio patent" as but two examples.)

[Old School]

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[Gwerziou]

Originally Posted by Old School

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What does this mean/is this about?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Gwerziou

What does this mean/is this about?

oops wrong thread!

[bontie]

While I am no fan of e-groupsets, I saw a number of bikes with this groupset on the weekend at an event in Italy. I see many comments bout derailleur size and offending looks/design.
In my humble opinion, I did it notice derailleur size. Sitting on the bike, the shifters looked and felt really nice, like Campagnolo always has.
Once prices settle, I can well see myself (and many others) buy this.

[vespasianus]

Originally Posted by bontie

While I am no fan of e-groupsets, I saw a number of bikes with this groupset on the weekend at an event in Italy. I see many comments bout derailleur size and offending looks/design.
In my humble opinion, I did it notice derailleur size. Sitting on the bike, the shifters looked and felt really nice, like Campagnolo always has.
Once prices settle, I can well see myself (and many others) buy this.

Good to hear.