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Old 06-14-2019, 11:15 PM
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I like the "certainty" in Heisenberg's response. Refreshing for a change from a name known for "uncertainty".

BTW, I agree. Clean -- scratch your Dogma itch. But it is just a bike. Nothing special as I said earlier.

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respectfully disagree x2.

have ridden/crashed/raced the piss out of nearly every dogma in existence...plenty of other production race frames. many of the tippy-top of the custom sphere. a lot. it was my job. it's a fine bike. but get one that fits if you are, and get one that's cheap if you are. the name is a massive premium - and it's not a name most here would be proud of.

de-editorial: as always, it's just a bike. ymmv. if it scratches the itch and doesn't violate any ethics: fukkit.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:23 PM
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I like the "certainty" in Heisenberg's response. Refreshing for a change from a name known for "uncertainty".

BTW, I agree. Clean -- scratch your Dogma itch. But it is just a bike. Nothing special as I said earlier.
everything is relative - until it isn't, i guess.

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Old 06-15-2019, 12:13 AM
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I like the "certainty" in Heisenberg's response. Refreshing for a change from a name known for "uncertainty".

BTW, I agree. Clean -- scratch your Dogma itch. But it is just a bike. Nothing special as I said earlier.
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everything is relative - until it isn't, i guess.
Is it OK if I then sideways blame you (and your namesake by extension, or vice versa) for the fact that I recently tried comprehending, yet again, "A Brief History of Time" for something like the 4th time in 20 +/- years, and still couldn't follow it from beginning to end, literally and conceptually?

That said, I completely agree with your "fukkit" posts relative to the Dogma-fetishization rationale; those make a lot more sense to me than that damned book does. I guess I should stick closer to bicycles and things I like, and allow my relatively complete lack of understanding of science to be the black hole that it has always been.

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Old 06-15-2019, 02:23 AM
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Placebo is a hell of a drug. Seems to me that the Dogma is pretty well proven as far as professional racing. So are some other frames. It seems pretty likely that top level carbon frames perform fairly identically but I can't really say from experience. I too would love to ride a Dogma (or any other modern pro tour level bike) and see what all the fuss is about.
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:07 AM
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That’s what I thought until I rode one. Until you do, hold your uninformed judgement.
I owned a couple of years ago and rode it a few thousand miles. Not much different than my Oltre, Skylon or C64. Soon enough the C64 will be on the chopping block, 'cause that's the way it works.

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Placebo is a hell of a drug.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:04 AM
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Here’s an idea....just ride the bikes you have!
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:10 AM
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I owned a couple of years ago and rode it a few thousand miles. Not much different than my Oltre, Skylon or C64. Soon enough the C64 will be on the chopping block, 'cause that's the way it works.
What size C64?
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:10 AM
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Here’s an idea....just ride the bikes you have!
That's a rational thought, but the discussion here is about an "irrational desire" and said desire.
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Old 06-15-2019, 11:18 AM
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That's a rational thought, but the discussion here is about an "irrational desire" and said desire.
Exactly.

I'm thinking the "rent one" option is the most likely way I'll scratch this itch though.

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Old 06-15-2019, 03:08 PM
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I'd hate to be around when your looking at vehicle purchases.

14 months of agony?



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Old 06-15-2019, 03:14 PM
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What size C64?
It's a 54s. I ride a 57.5 top tube bike, and being that this was my first Colnago, I had to work around their odd (to me) geometry with a 130 stem (in lieu of my usual 120), but all my bikes are within a couple millimeters of each other. It's a great bike, but once you get to a certain level, they all are.
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:43 PM
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It's a 54s. I ride a 57.5 top tube bike, and being that this was my first Colnago, I had to work around their odd (to me) geometry with a 130 stem (in lieu of my usual 120), but all my bikes are within a couple millimeters of each other. It's a great bike, but once you get to a certain level, they all are.
hmm sounds like it could fit the OP...
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:55 PM
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hmm sounds like it could fit the OP...
OP likes a 56S - but per Steve, should probably stick w a 58S..

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Old 06-15-2019, 07:45 PM
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OP likes a 56S - but per Steve, should probably stick w a 58S..

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Old 06-16-2019, 10:58 AM
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I'm curious why pinarello and not colnago
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