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Because to dole out 2,25 mil in salaries and stay solvent he needs to sell 10,000 bikes not 10.
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When even the fans of the place can't agree on what it was about or wasn't, how do you think it's precieved by those not in circle and just looking for a bike?
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I referenced it (the past) but I'm not arguing.
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My memory plays tricks now. I was going to quote you on how GP kept custom frame building going but thought i would not remember your exact words so i refrained. Anyways... i saw lots of lugged frames w/ clearance for big tires, fenders and less saddle to hb drop in england in 1990. Nothing like that was playing in the US cycling media. |
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It could all sell well.. but the marketing is lacking. It´s not reaching the people that would buy it. People w/ money and looking for qualities Rivendell could sell. Even if it´s not the crowd GP identifies with. Everything could be more expensive or less expensive.. it makes no difference. His stuff is not reaching the right market. MOst of people here were saying his design is bad and that´s why it´s not selling. I believe this is the wrong conclusion. That´s all. If i am a fan or not a fan makes no difference. If i know all the details of his thinking it makes no difference. |
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Oh, I know you aren't arguing the past, but others are, and from my perspective, all this grousing about the past, as seen by someone removed from it, it seems as if Grant isn't alone in being locked into looking back, unable to react to what's happening now. It's like showing trophies in a trophy case and then the lights go out because the power bill didn't get paid. Outside of blogs and gatherings to reminisce, it matters not who did what when and does not help with the current revenue problems. |
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I tend to discuss what I know about the stuff being discussed at any given time in a discussion. Riv history came up so I discussed Riv history, I think it's odd to be in the middle of a discussion and be told, "Oops, don't do that, we're talking about something else." I can only respond to the comments on the page as they line up.
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Nothing that happens or is discussed here helps his current revenue problems either.
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But to your point and here I agree, he may not be reaching the audience that would actually buy these types of bikes. But go one step further with me and see that the market for those types of bikes at those prices is tiny, hence my call to downsize the operation to match actual demand. Even Grant gets it, it's right there in the last post in the blog, he says they are a micro niche. They should right size the enterprise to match that small size. |
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It could be reached though. Maybe it could. It goes a bit against the soul of Riv... and against GP style, his blog etc.. But his bikes are the kind of thing the luxury market wants. Just like they are. EDIT: Traditional materials. Comfort. Classic looks... It only takes a good marketing person to sort this thing out. Last edited by colker; 02-13-2019 at 08:12 PM. |
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Don't you reckon that it may have had an effect on someone wanting to place a high dollar order with them, people who sell to them on credit, people who might want to invest in the place? The story has legs because he blogs. And what he blogs, love him or not, is off the charts. I mean if you read it as a reader untethered to the place it's wild stuff. Add to that, the asking for donations and blog updates that go one step higher and yes, it's going to get plenty of responses. |
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And IMO we've just about beaten this particular topic to death.
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