I am really completely out of touch with the latest and the greatest

[buddybikes]

1x has a "cool" factor. Think people going into shop aren't affected looking at a 1x and saying, this must be better...it's newer...

Smaller 2x's would certainly been able to be designed and would be incredible for many functions.

[choke]

I often see people talking about the weight savings for 1x but it might not be as much as many of you think.

As an example, using some quick numbers I found and assuming a 1:1 ratio for the lowest gear:

A Shimano XT 11-42 cassette is 432 grams.

An Ultegra 11-34 cassette is 337 grams.
An Ultegra 34T chainring is 33 grams.
An Ultegra FD is 90/102 grams (braze-on/clamp).
The total weight of that setup with the clamp-on FD is 472 grams, so it's 40 grams heavier.

I know that lighter cassettes exist and obviously there's some more added weight in cables and housing for the FD as well as the shift mechanism for the FD....but still, not a huge difference.

[Lionel]

Originally Posted by joosttx

You know what is interesting about this thread is, no one is questioning Weisan claim that Sram makes the latest and greatest drivetrain. As Biggie raps, "Things done changed".

Well I am. Will never by a 2x road group with a cassette that starts at 10 and chainrings combo that are different for the sake of being different. Did I mention that it looks ugly too ?

[choke]

Originally Posted by homagesilkhope

Way back in Y2K, a steeply discounted price on a just-introduced Record 10 group was already $1100 (including hubs and headset).

That Record group also had brake calipers, BB and crank....and maybe more. The $1650 "groupset" that Weisan posted consisted of 4 parts: shifters and both derailleurs.

I can remember when a groupset looked like this....

[Gummee]

Originally Posted by choke

That Record group also had brake calipers, BB and crank....and maybe more. The $1650 "groupset" that Weisan posted consisted of 4 parts: shifters and both derailleurs.

I can remember when a groupset looked like this....

Including a seatpost!

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[Mikej]

Dude you made my day with that (not) campy group pic- thanks!

[merckxman]

And bikes came like this.

[IJWS]

this is all great, but only one person has acknowledged the OP's original issue: $1100 in store credit at the LBS. What to possibly buy at full retail that would not be a wash.

[steelbikerider]

Not Campy, looks like a Zeus gruppo to me.

[BRad704]

I don't know what the current stable looks like, but there's always N+1.




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[Hilltopperny]

$1,100 goes a lot further I the used bike category. The new etap axs looks awesome and functional, but unless you have a huge amount of expendable income the price tags are beyond reasonable at retail for most. $4,000 for a group set is a stretch IMHO. $2,800 for force axs is also a stretch.

I have tried most of the stuff out there over the past few years and always find myself ultimately running mechanical campy on my road bikes. I am using Ultegra on my disc gravel bike and it is functionally excellent, but if I ever wear it out I am going to give the Campagnolo disc group a shot.

Even campagnolo has dropped the carbon levers from the new chorus group which explains why it is the same or cheaper than the current 11spd group. I found the 11spd chorus to be the best value in the lineup.

I am running record 12 on my Ottrott and it is amazing, but had it not come with the frameset when I purchased it second hand I wouldn't have gone out and purchased it at full retail. I would have put the chorus 11spd on and called it a day.

I know the rep at my lbs just offered up his giant tcr disc with full red axs disc group, origin 8 carbon rims laced to white industries cld hubs all with under 500 miles to me for around 5k. The build new at retail would likely be north of 10k!

The new system six with red etap axs retails at around 10k+ and then you have to pay an extra $800 to activate the power meter! Money is a relative thing though and there are folks with the income level to enjoy these 10k+ bikes without any real issue.

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[Tony T]

Originally Posted by weisan

….I thought surely $1000+ should buy me a nice complete group....nooooo. This showed how out of touch I am with the latest and the greatest, ....

$1,600 six years ago, Campy Record grouppo, UK prices.

[soulspinner]

Originally Posted by Dave

Chorus 12 costs less than chorus 11.

Crazy

[72gmc]

$1100 store credit at the LBS?

1) replace clothing and/or shoes
2) or upgrade/refresh 2-3 bike drivetrains (shopping sensibly and off season)
3) or buy a hardtail mtb (also off season) and have a blast not thinking about road prices

[R3awak3n]

AXS is too expensive... its amazing though and I totally want it on my OPEN.
I have an etap bike (11 speed red hydro) and had it on my english. I absolutely love it and would buy no other e group. I have decided to go 1x on my open (not because I want but out of necessity since 2x is just not working for that bike) and came to the same problem as you. I did not need the crank but was going to set me $1800 and right now that is not going to happen. I am selling the campy on the bike and dont want to drop that much more so I went woth force 1x


I will eventually do axs but for now force it is.