Waxing the chain: How to clean your bike

[fmradio516]

dang i guess i need to bit the bullet and get an ultrasonic cleaner..

[simplemind]

Originally Posted by robertbb

One of the arguments against adding the oil is that it attracts dirt and sand that can contribute to component wear (just like any other wet lube) and nullifies the good characteristics of the straight paraffin.

You are correct, adding an oil would defeat the purpose of a dry paraffin lube.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by simplemind

You are correct, adding an oil would defeat the purpose of a dry paraffin lube.

Not in small enough quantities. Only a small amount of heavy gear lube will mix with paraffin. It will then have less tendency to flake off and it still does not attract dirt.

I avoid the time consuming hot waxing by dissolving the wax in naptha, creating a quick to apply dry lube.

[simplemind]

Originally Posted by Dave

Not in small enough quantities. Only a small amount of heavy gear lube will mix with paraffin. It will then have less tendency to flake off and it still does not attract dirt.

I avoid the time consuming hot waxing by dissolving the wax in naptha, creating a quick to apply dry lube.

Gear lube is very sticky and has extreme pressure additives, so if you have tried it and it works for you then I wouldn't say don't do it.
On the other hand MoS2 is probably the number one extreme pressure lubricant and it comes as a very fine dry powder.
The addition of naptha is also a great idea for an alternative to hot wax.

[MikeD]

To those using Molten Speed Wax, how many miles between lubings?

[robertbb]

Originally Posted by simplemind

Gear lube is very sticky and has extreme pressure additives, so if you have tried it and it works for you then I wouldn't say don't do it.
On the other hand MoS2 is probably the number one extreme pressure lubricant and it comes as a very fine dry powder.
The addition of naptha is also a great idea for an alternative to hot wax.

You seem to know a lot about this stuff.

PTFE and MoS2 (added to paraffin): Really worth it?... either as a combo or individually? It's expensive to get these to Australia.

[simplemind]

Originally Posted by robertbb

You seem to know a lot about this stuff.

PTFE and MoS2 (added to paraffin): Really worth it?... either as a combo or individually? It's expensive to get these to Australia.

MoS2 and to some degree PTFE, provides high contact pressure, ie prevents metal-to-metal contact. Graphite is also another dry powder EP lube to consider, and may be more accessible. Paraffin by itself provides some lubricity, but its extreme pressure qualities are not so great, hence the addition of EP additives.

For your reading pleasure:
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molybdenum_disulfide
2) https://www.machinerylubrication.com...ilm-lubricants

[Dave]

All mso2 powder is not the same. I found a source that sells the powder in several sizes, with 1.5 micron being the finest. A micron is 40 millionth's of an inch. I would assume that a finely ground powder would be best.

Dissolving molten speed wax in naptha is something I'd try. One ounce by weight of paraffin requires 6-7 ounces of naptha to dissolve it. Any less naptha will produce a mush, unless heated above room temperature.

[robertbb]

Originally Posted by simplemind

MoS2 and to some degree PTFE, provides high contact pressure, ie prevents metal-to-metal contact. Graphite is also another dry powder EP lube to consider, and may be more accessible. Paraffin by itself provides some lubricity, but its extreme pressure qualities are not so great, hence the addition of EP additives.

For your reading pleasure:
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molybdenum_disulfide
2) https://www.machinerylubrication.com...ilm-lubricants

Thank you! So I just learned that this product is available:

https://moltenspeedwax.com/products/...ace-powder-55g

The instructions for application are by using a brush, but would there be any reason why it couldn't just be added into the pot of paraffin to include it in the original bath?

If so, how much powder should I be adding to the crockpot with, say, 800 grams of Paraffin?

[oldguy00]

Originally Posted by MikeD

To those using Molten Speed Wax, how many miles between lubings?

I probably go about 250 miles between, and before every race.

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[simplemind]

Originally Posted by robertbb

If so, how much powder should I be adding to the crockpot with, say, 800 grams of Paraffin?

Not scientific, but I used about a 1/2 tsp per block of Gulf Wax.

[fmradio516]

Scored a 5 quart (i know, yuge) crock pot on craigslist free and ordered some Molten, so going to give this a shot! Hopefully the massive crock-pot wont be an issue.