TdF conversation - SPOILERS

[peanutgallery]

Not to be a jerk, but...

Why go to a cycling related site during the tour if you want to delay your acquisition of the result? A spoiler or 2 will teach someone a lesson

Originally Posted by Bruce K

Now that we got your attention...

PLEASE remember to put “SPOILER” in the title of sntvthread that contains TdF results or news that might interfere with the fun for folks who record stages and watch them later

Thanks for following this simple courtesy

BK for “the Mod Squad”

[weisan]

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[weisan]

[Bruce K]

PG -

The point is not not post content in titles.

Things like “Now that Froome has crashed, can he still win?” Ruin things for folks who DVD stages for after work, etc.

Of course we expect folks to talk about the Tour. Just not in thread titles.



BK

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by saab2000

Ain't that the truth. Three time world champ. Five (or is it six?) time Green jersey. Many stages. A couple monuments and a number of minor classics.

As mentioned, his suckiness is something most of us envy.

Brit announcer mentioned he hasn't worn a standard team jersey since 2011
Glad he has grown up..I think marriage and fatherhood has helped a lot in this regard. PLUS I like his, 'racing toys' attitude ala Phinney..ain't gonna change the world.

[saab2000]

Overrated, sucky Sagan pulls out a win.

[Cicli]

Originally Posted by saab2000

Overrated, sucky Sagan pulls out a win.

Yeah, he stinks. I could beat him any day. (on a motorcycle, maybe)

[fignon's barber]

Originally Posted by saab2000

Overrated, sucky Sagan pulls out a win.

Sucked right into a Yellow Jersey.

[mg2ride]

Originally Posted by fignon's barber

Holy crap. Watch the GoPro video. Froome just misses a metal pole:

https://cyclingtips.com/2018/07/toda...el-of-fortune/

From the head on view on the show last night, it really looked like Froome was intentionally pushed.

Look at 1:02 on this video. Maybe it was "just racing" or maybe not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDN03Rz_Kzk

[rain dogs]

Yet again, the TdF gets it wrong.

Gilbert and Alaphilippe went into the corner where the crash happened in 3rd and 5th position.

Valverde, who was racing (cause last time I looked this should be a race) finished in the sprinters group ahead of Gilbert and Alaphilippe, who crossed the line +8" another group came in +12" with Jungels (they all went through before the crash)

BUT, the TDF nuetralizes the gaps because of the crash, although those gaps weren't caused by the crash.

Valverde who's going for GC gets nothing.... no 8 second gap, no 12 second gap. All the gaps are neutralized. Once again, reward the GC guys who turn off the gas at 3km and roll over the line in the last places.

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by rain dogs

Yet again, the TdF gets it wrong.

Gilbert and Alaphilippe went into the corner where the crash happened in 3rd and 5th position.

Valverde, who was racing (cause last time I looked this should be a race) finished in the sprinters group ahead of Gilbert and Alaphilippe, who crossed the line +8" another group came in +12" with Jungels (they all went through before the crash)

BUT, the TDF nuetralizes the gaps because of the crash, although those gaps weren't caused by the crash.

Valverde who's going for GC gets nothing.... no 8 second gap, no 12 second gap. All the gaps are neutralized. Once again, reward the GC guys who turn off the gas at 3km and roll over the line in the last places.

Have you raced? It's bad enough having a couple dozen sprinters and leadout riders fighting for position at the end of a flat stage let alone having all the GG guys up there too.

There's no ideal way to have this with sprint finishes and having guys not lose their whole TdF chances by a crash that blocks them with a mile to go.

That said, yes, Valverde amazes with this kind of thing. He's always where he needs to be.

[rain dogs]

Originally Posted by saab2000

Have you raced? It's bad enough having a couple dozen sprinters and leadout riders fighting for position at the end of a flat stage let alone having all the GG guys up there too.

There's no ideal way to have this with sprint finishes and having guys not lose their whole TdF chances by a crash that blocks them with a mile to go.

That said, yes, Valverde amazes with this kind of thing. He's always where he needs to be.

No I haven't raced the Tour de France, have you? Why does that matter?

The point is, the rule exists to protect riders from losing time due to a crash, the gap to Gilbert was made in the last 200m, it had nothing to do with the crash. If a GC guy is ballsy enough to be up there fighting for seconds, he should be rewarded for those seconds if it had nothing to do with the crash. And Valverde can sprint, he's not totlly out of place being in amongst the fast guys. So reward that!

[azrider]

Originally Posted by rain dogs

No I haven't raced the Tour de France, have you? Why does that matter?

The point is, the rule exists to protect riders from losing time due to a crash, the gap to Gilbert was made in the last 200m, it had nothing to do with the crash. If a GC guy is ballsy enough to be up there fighting for seconds, he should be rewarded for those seconds if it had nothing to do with the crash. And Valverde can sprint, he's not totlly out of place being in amongst the fast guys. So reward that!

Not a Valverde fan per-se but , Yeah I definitely agree with rewarding those who take higher risk and battle for seconds where ever they can find em

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by rain dogs

No I haven't raced the Tour de France, have you? Why does that matter?

The point is, the rule exists to protect riders from losing time due to a crash, the gap to Gilbert was made in the last 200m, it had nothing to do with the crash. If a GC guy is ballsy enough to be up there fighting for seconds, he should be rewarded for those seconds if it had nothing to do with the crash. And Valverde can sprint, he's not totlly out of place being in amongst the fast guys. So reward that!

I've not competed in the TdF! But I have raced many races and at a fairly high level. Valverde can mix with the fastest and yeah, I wish there were a way to reward that. I guess the bonus seconds are it but they only go three places deep I think.

I see the point of your post. I don't have a solution. I think Valverde is up front as much as anything to avoid the inevitable accidents, not because he thinks he's going to beat Sagan and the other fast finishers.

But yes, your point is taken.

[jlwdm]

Originally Posted by rain dogs

No I haven't raced the Tour de France, have you? Why does that matter?

The point is, the rule exists to protect riders from losing time due to a crash, the gap to Gilbert was made in the last 200m, it had nothing to do with the crash. If a GC guy is ballsy enough to be up there fighting for seconds, he should be rewarded for those seconds if it had nothing to do with the crash. And Valverde can sprint, he's not totlly out of place being in amongst the fast guys. So reward that!

So the riders that crashed and the riders behind them would not lose any time but a rider that made it past the crash near the front would lose time?

The times are all set when the crash occurs so unless you are going for the win there is no need to go full out. This is why some gaps occur in the last meters.

Jeff