OT: So, what's it like when they legalized weed...

[soulspinner]

Originally Posted by bigbill

My ex smoked a lot of weed, sometimes 2-3 times a day. She had friends in Seattle that would send it in packages of coffee beans to where we lived in Texas. I think the potency is the biggest issue. Until it is federally legalized and regulated, suppliers will try to outdo each other in potency. In the 60s and 70s, potency was 2-4% THC. Now it can be in the 20% range. Increased potency has led to addiction which I got to see first-hand.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6312155/

In NY the potency exceeds 25 percent. This is for whole plant so it doesn't necessarily translate to smoking potency. The stronger it is ...

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by lavi

Other issues aside (PTSD), why is it that we seem to sleep more poorly as we age?

I'm 51, but act like I'm 15. For the most part, my body feels like I'm still in my 30's.

That being said, my sleep sucks! Yes, THC gummies certainly help me fall asleep. However, I don't really like relying on something to fall asleep...especially for long term use.

I sleep better now than ever(.72 of a century) but my poor sleep was due to sleep apnea. If you have trouble sleeping, 'maybe' go talk to a 'sleep doc'..Doesn't mean you have apnea but something is 'up' if you need something to fall and stay asleep, IMHO.

BTW-I also take a 5mg of melatonin before bed..

[AngryScientist]

Does anyone know: What is the current state of field sobriety tests for marijuana?

I note in the other thread where the guy in the pickup plowed into 20 cyclists and mentioned that he smoked a blunt the night before. I assume that the cops on scene have no concrete way to immediately determine if a person is intoxicated/high/impaired in real time?

[witcombusa]

My only observation is that now my drive to work @ 6am is like following skunks down the road for 20 miles. If you're getting high every morning on the way to work I'd say you've got some things to work out! It truly amazes me how many folks I encounter each day.

[phishrabbi]

Distillation of alcohol dates to the 10th century in what is now Iraq/Syria (that's why it has an Arabic name) and was introduced to the west in the high middle ages.

Smoking of cannabis flowers is at least 2500 years old, and has been part of many cultures world wide.

So many people in this thread have been brainwashed by American drug policy, and especially the "War on Drugs."

That cannabis is a schedule 1 narcotic is absurd.

If you're offended by people using cannabis but think alcohol drinking, tobacco smoking, or the taking of opioid pain medication are fine, the problem is you. Alcohol, tobacco, and opioids are all far more deleterious to society than cannabis.

I don't think any reasonable people are proponents of driving under the influence of cannabis, alcohol, or opioids.

We've all been subjected to the smell of cigarette smoke outside for our whole lives. It's yucky. So is the smell of cow and pig poop in rural America, and dog poop on the sidewalks of every city in America. Human farts too. It's part of life Deal with it.

[HenryA]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

Does anyone know: What is the current state of field sobriety tests for marijuana?

I note in the other thread where the guy in the pickup plowed into 20 cyclists and mentioned that he smoked a blunt the night before. I assume that the cops on scene have no concrete way to immediately determine if a person is intoxicated/high/impaired in real time?

There is no test that provides proof of impairment by marijuana. Most states have set blood alcohol levels that are presumed to result in a legal impairment. These are somewhat artificial as some people will do well on field sobriety tests even when legally impaired. What it does is make prosecutions easier for the State.

Not so for weed. Tests for weed are not as directly and scientifically tied to impairment or even recent use. A smoker who uses regularly for a long period of time will test high (no not that kind of high) even when not impaired and has not smoked for 24 hours or more. Weed DUIs are hard to prove. If the person looks good on bodycam/dashcam its hard to prove impairment to a jury.

[AngryScientist]

Originally Posted by phishrabbi

If you're offended by people using cannabis but think alcohol drinking, tobacco smoking, or the taking of opioid pain medication are fine, the problem is you. Alcohol, tobacco, and opioids are all far more deleterious to society than cannabis.



We've all been subjected to the smell of cigarette smoke outside for our whole lives. It's yucky. So is the smell of cow and pig poop in rural America, and dog poop on the sidewalks of every city in America. Human farts too. It's part of life Deal with it.

Nice rant. I dont think anyone who has commented in this thread falls into the category above.



No, we shouldnt have to "deal with it". I remember when people were allowed to smoke in bars and restaurants, on airplanes and anyplace else they wanted. Millions of people's health was effected by secondhand smoke and we all came back from a night on the town with our clothes stinking of cig smoke. New rules and laws have made life SO much healthier and better in the public now that cigarette smoking is largely out of public spaces. No need to step back and let people smoke weed wherever they want.

[Blue Jays]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

"…No, we shouldn't have to 'deal with it.' I remember when people were allowed to smoke in bars and restaurants, on airplanes and anyplace else they wanted. Millions of people's health was effected by secondhand smoke and we all came back from a night on the town with our clothes stinking of cig smoke. New rules and laws have made life SO much healthier and better in the public now that cigarette smoking is largely out of public spaces. No need to step back and let people smoke weed wherever they want…"

This is my same recollection of decades past. Europe was brutal because EVERY car on a train permitted smoking. When arriving home from being out and about…all clothes needed to be brought to the basement in a hamper for laundering. Then you had to take a shower before bed to keep your pillowcases and sheets from reeking of smoke! Very thankful those days are hopefully behind us.

[phishrabbi]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

No, we shouldnt have to "deal with it". I remember when people were allowed to smoke in bars and restaurants, on airplanes and anyplace else they wanted. .

please note that in the post to which you responded I was clear to say "outside."

I am responding to the poster who was so offended by the smell of cannabis smoke outside on the strip in Las Vegas that he vowed never to return to Sin City.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by phishrabbi

Distillation of alcohol dates to the 10th century in what is now Iraq/Syria (that's why it has an Arabic name) and was introduced to the west in the high middle ages.

Smoking of cannabis flowers is at least 2500 years old, and has been part of many cultures world wide.

So many people in this thread have been brainwashed by American drug policy, and especially the "War on Drugs."

That cannabis is a schedule 1 narcotic is absurd.

If you're offended by people using cannabis but think alcohol drinking, tobacco smoking, or the taking of opioid pain medication are fine, the problem is you. Alcohol, tobacco, and opioids are all far more deleterious to society than cannabis.

I don't think any reasonable people are proponents of driving under the influence of cannabis, alcohol, or opioids.

We've all been subjected to the smell of cigarette smoke outside for our whole lives. It's yucky. So is the smell of cow and pig poop in rural America, and dog poop on the sidewalks of every city in America. Human farts too. It's part of life Deal with it.

Need a LIKE button...Amazing the people who WHINE about marijuana but give you the thousand yard stare when you mention the disastrous results of alcohol, tobacco and opioid use.

I am responding to the poster who was so offended by the smell of cannabis smoke outside on the strip in Las Vegas that he vowed never to return to Sin City.

Last time I was in Vegas, going back to the hotel at about 2AM....many 'faced' people stumbling about, some lying on the sidewalk, on the strip, passed out with puke all over their front. Loud, obnoxious, stupid drunk people EVERYWHERE.

[rallizes]

I have a much bigger problem smelling car exhaust than weed.

[zap]

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Originally Posted by lavi

Other issues aside (PTSD), why is it that we seem to sleep more poorly as we age?

After long hard rides (4+ hour) I can sleep 7+ hours.

If all I do is walk, lift some weights, etc then I don't sleep as well.

If I don't exercise, sleep is meh.

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by phishrabbi

Distillation of alcohol dates to the 10th century in what is now Iraq/Syria (that's why it has an Arabic name) and was introduced to the west in the high middle ages.

Smoking of cannabis flowers is at least 2500 years old, and has been part of many cultures world wide.

So many people in this thread have been brainwashed by American drug policy, and especially the "War on Drugs."

That cannabis is a schedule 1 narcotic is absurd.

If you're offended by people using cannabis but think alcohol drinking, tobacco smoking, or the taking of opioid pain medication are fine, the problem is you. Alcohol, tobacco, and opioids are all far more deleterious to society than cannabis.

I don't think any reasonable people are proponents of driving under the influence of cannabis, alcohol, or opioids.

We've all been subjected to the smell of cigarette smoke outside for our whole lives. It's yucky. So is the smell of cow and pig poop in rural America, and dog poop on the sidewalks of every city in America. Human farts too. It's part of life Deal with it.

Amazing how many of these zombie posts are resurrected by spammers and we end up saying the same thing we said many months ago.

With that caveat out of the way, I totally agree with you. A quality rant.

[Vientomas]

Originally Posted by phishrabbi

Distillation of alcohol dates to the 10th century in what is now Iraq/Syria (that's why it has an Arabic name) and was introduced to the west in the high middle ages.

Smoking of cannabis flowers is at least 2500 years old, and has been part of many cultures world wide.

So many people in this thread have been brainwashed by American drug policy, and especially the "War on Drugs."

That cannabis is a schedule 1 narcotic is absurd.

If you're offended by people using cannabis but think alcohol drinking, tobacco smoking, or the taking of opioid pain medication are fine, the problem is you. Alcohol, tobacco, and opioids are all far more deleterious to society than cannabis.

I don't think any reasonable people are proponents of driving under the influence of cannabis, alcohol, or opioids.

We've all been subjected to the smell of cigarette smoke outside for our whole lives. It's yucky. So is the smell of cow and pig poop in rural America, and dog poop on the sidewalks of every city in America. Human farts too. It's part of life Deal with it.

Agreed.

[bigbill]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

Nice rant. I dont think anyone who has commented in this thread falls into the category above.



No, we shouldnt have to "deal with it". I remember when people were allowed to smoke in bars and restaurants, on airplanes and anyplace else they wanted. Millions of people's health was effected by secondhand smoke and we all came back from a night on the town with our clothes stinking of cig smoke. New rules and laws have made life SO much healthier and better in the public now that cigarette smoking is largely out of public spaces. No need to step back and let people smoke weed wherever they want.

Before I moved to Arizona in 2018, I would make a trip to the PHX area for a week each spring to ride. I normally stayed at the WeKoPa Resort because they had a killer deal for retired military and were nicely located for riding. I brought my son with me when he was 16 and I took him to breakfast in the casino diner. We walked past all the gamblers and the associated cloud of cigarette smoke. He gave me a funny look and I told him, "this is what it was like growing up in the 70s." What was normal in the 60s and 70s seems so bizarre these days.