OT Red Sox - say it ain't so Alex

[wc1934]

Originally Posted by MattTuck

well, the Red Sox have traded away Mookie Betts (assuming it goes through), ushering in another 86 year drought in Boston championships.

It was a good run for a few years there.

hope it doesnt - some hold up regarding Graterol's physical.

On a different note - Pete Rose is still crying and crawling to get reinstated.

[72gmc]

Re Pete Rose: he's got a point. Baseball is trying to differentiate between a guy who made bets that included his own team vs. a bunch of guys who employed mechanical aids to cheat against the other team vs. whatever comes next ... it will take a very crooked blade to slice between those transgressions if they decide not to send everyone into exile.

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by 72gmc

Re Pete Rose: he's got a point. Baseball is trying to differentiate between a guy who made bets that included his own team vs. a bunch of guys who employed mechanical aids to cheat against the other team vs. whatever comes next ... it will take a very crooked blade to slice between those transgressions if they decide not to send everyone into exile.

For all its faults, baseball's been exceedingly clear about what gambling and consorting with gamblers means for anyone involved with the on-field product.

Sorry Pete.

[cgolvin]

Originally Posted by MattTuck

well, the Red Sox have traded away Mookie Betts (assuming it goes through), ushering in another 86 year drought in Boston championships.

It was a good run for a few years there.

I'm not implying he will be on par with Betts (few are), but I think you will enjoy watching Verdugo play. Check out some defensive highlights from last year -- his arm is elite (some teams wanted to sign him as a pitcher).

That is, unless you Boston fans eat him alive.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

For all its faults, baseball's been exceedingly clear about what gambling and consorting with gamblers means for anyone involved with the on-field product.

Sorry Pete.

Agree, the 'BlackSox' scandal set the stage. Without that, Pete may have seen a shorter banishment but...Also if he had NOT bet on games involving the Reds...

[veloduffer]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Agree, the 'BlackSox' scandal set the stage. Without that, Pete may have seen a shorter banishment but...Also if he had NOT bet on games involving the Reds...

It would have helped if Pete didn't deny it for years and showed the tiniest bit of contrition. Personality-wise, he seemed more "Lance"-like, which doesn't lend itself to sympathy.

Interestingly, I think Clemens and Bonds might be voted in the HoF one day. As the pool of voters gets younger, the steroid era is being viewed less harshly.

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by veloduffer

It would have helped if Pete didn't deny it for years and showed the tiniest bit of contrition. Personality-wise, he seemed more "Lance"-like, which doesn't lend itself to sympathy.

Interestingly, I think Clemens and Bonds might be voted in the HoF one day. As the pool of voters gets younger, the steroid era is being viewed less harshly.

You think these two guys aren't in the Hall just due to steroids? Noted pricks. Having said that, they were both HOFers before flaxseed oil, etc.. They should be in.

[wc1934]

Originally Posted by XXtwindad

You think these two guys aren't in the Hall just due to steroids? Noted pricks. Having said that, they were both HOFers before flaxseed oil, etc.. They should be in.

No to Rose, Bonds and Clemens. If you let them where does it end - Sousa, McGuire, Palmeiro etc. etc.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by XXtwindad

You think these two guys aren't in the Hall just due to steroids? Noted pricks. Having said that, they were both HOFers before flaxseed oil, etc.. They should be in.

Pricks that doped..along with McGuire, Sosa and others..disagree, they are cheaters on the same scale as Rose..HOW could they be in the HOF as demonstrated cheaters? Scumbags..big thumb's down.

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by wc1934

No to Rose, Bonds and Clemens. If you let them where does it end - Sousa, McGuire, Palmeiro etc. etc.

No comparison between the first three players and the last three. Steroids "made" Sosa, McGuire, and (possibly) Palmeiro. Not so with Bonds and Clemens.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by XXtwindad

No comparison between the first three players and the last three. Steroids "made" Sosa, McGuire, and (possibly) Palmeiro. Not so with Bonds and Clemens.

YGBSM..Bond? Take a look at him from pre to post steroids...he looked like the incredible hulk...Sosa, McGuire the same..

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...5&action=click

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

YGBSM..Bond? Take a look at him from pre to post steroids...he looked like the incredible hulk...Sosa, McGuire the same..

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...5&action=click

Yes. This is true. But before Bonds became the most feared hitter in history, he was perhaps the best "five-tool" player in history. Check the stats. Gold gloves, home runs, and stolen bases. A sure fire HOFer.

Them he started on his flaxseed regimen. And it was homer, walk, homer, strikeout, walk, walk, homer. Really tough to chase down fly balls or zip around the bases with "man boobs."

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

YGBSM..Bond? Take a look at him from pre to post steroids...he looked like the incredible hulk...Sosa, McGuire the same..

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...5&action=click

Also, should we throw away the stats for all the Houston Astros and possibly the Red Sox of the past few years? Do Mookie Betts and Joey Altuve not get into the HOF? Surely, if they continue their trajectory they are locks for the Hall.

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

YGBSM..Bond? Take a look at him from pre to post steroids...he looked like the incredible hulk...Sosa, McGuire the same..

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...5&action=click

And pre-steroids Barry Bonds was still the best position player and hitter in the game.

His pre-1998 stats, when he says he started hitting the juice, were still good enough for the 10th best OPS of all time. So if you strip out his greatest years during the height of the steroid era, he was still one of the 10 best offensive players ever.

There's a reason the Giants gave him pretty much all the money to leave Pittsburgh.

[Rada]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

And pre-steroids Barry Bonds was still the best position player and hitter in the game.

His pre-1998 stats, when he says he started hitting the juice, were still good enough for the 10th best OPS of all time. So if you strip out his greatest years during the height of the steroid era, he was still one of the 10 best offensive players ever.

There's a reason the Giants gave him pretty much all the money to leave Pittsburgh.

Using that logic Pete should be in. Pete never cheated on the field, as Bonds did, but as a manager. On the field Pete had more hits that anyone in MLB history. Personally I don't think any of those guys should ever get in, including Pete, and I am a life long Reds fan who saw Pete play at Crosley Field.