Mosaic RT-1 Pricing // Custom frame pricing

[bthomas515]

I am truly fascinated with added costs throughout the custom process. $300 per di2 hole would have never crossed my mind.

[dbnm]

I would encourage everyone to make calls directly to the builders to talk to them about their process and design thoughts.

I spoke to five builders whose complete bike prices ranged from $8500 to $14,500, all with the same components.

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by bthomas515

I am truly fascinated with added costs throughout the custom process. $300 per di2 hole would have never crossed my mind.

No kidding. Seems shockingly high.
I trust prototoast's quote/source, but that really seems very high for a builder to charge that, with the tubes flat on the bench.

[54ny77]

Well that does it. Tonight I'm gonna go out to eat some Italian food and piss all over the chef and manager for daring to charge me $21 for pasta and sauce that only costs $.92 to make.

Good thing I'll be socially distanced when I say this, gives me enough time to duck outta the way when the osso bucco comes flying at my head.

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by 54ny77

Well that does it. Tonight I'm gonna go out to eat some Italian food and piss all over the chef and manager for daring to charge me $21 for pasta and sauce that only costs $.92 to make.

Good thing I'll be socially distanced when I say this, gives me enough time to duck outta the way when the osso bucco comes flying at my head.

Be careful before and where you piss.

Apparently some "gourmet" pizza place was recently busted for in fact selling "modified" grocery store frozen pizza to their desperate Covid takeout customers, while of course charging $$$$. So the $21.00 / $0.92 may have been very true at least in that case.

[54ny77]

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorno!"

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by 54ny77

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorno!"

More like, "It's not really Da Giorgio, it's just DiGiorno!"

[miksibis]

Dino, that was Charleston, SC serving artisanal Costco pizza from the 4 pack! had the evidence in a neighboring trash bin. mike

[Coffee Rider]

Originally Posted by bthomas515

I am truly fascinated with added costs throughout the custom process. $300 per di2 hole would have never crossed my mind.

That likely also involves work beyond just drilling the hole, such as reinforcing, etc.

[nmrt]

The $6900 price for Mosaic RT-1 disc includes the following:
1. Frame and fork painted (two-tone paint)
2. CK Headset
3. internally routed brake and shifting

It is not what that $6900 bothers me. It is what it is. For some it might be a great deal if they are into painting how Mosaic paints their frames.
What bothers me is that if I want a bare (non-painted) RT-1 (this is the only butted road bike that Mosaic produces), I will still have to pay $6900!

Originally Posted by many_styles

I think the rest of this thread has been fixated on this #. I didn’t go through the entire thread, but care to shed some light if there were able extras that were added to the frameset; internal brake routing, etc?

As you see some relies above, it can quickly add up.


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[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by miksibis

Dino, that was Charleston, SC serving artisanal Costco pizza from the 4 pack! had the evidence in a neighboring trash bin. mike

Yes, that was it! Thank you for the details. Incredible story, too funny how they were so lazy with the Costco boxes they got caught.

"Artisanal"...never trust that word.

There are some similarities to some of the pricing language/numbers of some of the builders mentioned here.

PS: Ibis was not one of those, in the ti days: fantastic always, and Scott Nicol would have been far funnier and tongue-in-cheek if/when employing words like "artisanal". His eBay ad copy for old Ibis bits he was selling was some of the best ever.

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by Coffee Rider

That likely also involves work beyond just drilling the hole, such as reinforcing, etc.

I would be slack-jaw stunned if 4 water bottle holes cost $1200 total on a $3000/$5000 frame, though, wouldn't you?

[Coffee Rider]

Originally Posted by Dino Suegiù

Sure, of course other prices approach Mosaic.
But the opposite holds true as well, and so push Mosaic further toward one extreme.
I'm sure an exact apples-apples spec price list from the top 20 USA titanium builders would result in a gap wider than ~$6,300 (Strong) to $6,900 (Mosaic), which is already a substantial gap imo.

It's less than a 10% difference and at this price point, I don't think that is going to make a difference to prospective purchasers, especially when you factor in what it will cost to finish the bike. Something else to consider is that Mosaic sells through dealers and Strong sells direct, so there has to be room in the price for dealer margin.

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by nmrt

The $6900 price for Mosaic RT-1 disc includes the following:
1. Frame and fork painted (two-tone paint)
2. CK Headset
3. internally routed brake and shifting

It is not what that $6900 bothers me. It is what it is. For some it might be a great deal if they are into painting how Mosaic paints their frames.
What bothers me is that if I want a bare (non-painted) RT-1 (this is the only butted road bike that Mosaic produces), I will still have to pay $6900!

They didn't buy Spectrum Powder and Paint just to ship out unpainted bikes.

At the end of the day, it isn't your name on the downtube saying "Hey, I have Mosaic build this to my strange specifications." It just says Mosaic, and their stuff is mostly painted.

So I get it. They'll build it for you, but it's a polite way of telling a prospect they're not interested in that kind of work.

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by bthomas515

I am truly fascinated with added costs throughout the custom process. $300 per di2 hole would have never crossed my mind.

Lynskey charges $100 for an etap frame which involves no holes!