CyclingTips: the slow crawl of road bike progress

[eddief]

In the metaphysics of Identity, the ship of Theseus, (or Theseus's paradox), is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether a ship - standing for an object in general - that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object.

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

I take the opposite tack reading that story. Its something of an oddly reshaped Ship of Theseus. Improve enough little things and you start to realize larger changes out a whole laundry list of small tweaks.

Yes, the last three big changes in road bikes happened a couple decades ago now right lever mounted shifting, clipless pedals and carbon frame construction. But the small stuff, as they say, adds up.

[pbarry]

Good read. Like AA's take on things.

[peanutgallery]

Disc=>tire clearance/rim width is pretty big

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

I take the opposite tack reading that story. Its something of an oddly reshaped Ship of Theseus. Improve enough little things and you start to realize larger changes out a whole laundry list of small tweaks.

Yes, the last three big changes in road bikes happened a couple decades ago now right lever mounted shifting, clipless pedals and carbon frame construction. But the small stuff, as they say, adds up.

[whateveronfire]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

I kinda have a thing for LeMond spine bikes. Couldn't afford one when I was in just post college or grad school while they were current, but the Sarthe I bought then still sees regular use. Every so often I look around to see if there's one out there that isn't a catastrophe where the materials are bonded.

I've had spine Zurichs twice. Once bought new in '06 and then another bought in nostalgia a couple of years ago.

Very nice riding bike. I still kind of want one of the Ti ones.

Neither of mine had any trouble in bonding.

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by CNY rider

Tangential but could you elaborate?

My finest riding steel bicycle is made from OX platinum.

Just a comment on Spirit OS being the bees-knees these days - lighter, bigger, etc.

OX Platinum is pretty dang nice stuff.

[duff_duffy]

I just sold a titanium one in new condition. Bonding on mine looked like the day it came out of factory. Keep an eye out, mine took a bit longer to sell than expected and someone got a great deal.

Originally Posted by whateveronfire

I've had spine Zurichs twice. Once bought new in '06 and then another bought in nostalgia a couple of years ago.

Very nice riding bike. I still kind of want one of the Ti ones.

Neither of mine had any trouble in bonding.

[fogrider]

With today's lighter parts, older framesets can be built up to reasonable weight bikes. But modern super bikes are so good, most of use really can't take full advantage of how good they are. And Peter Sagan will out sprint me on a 20 year old steel frame even if I'm on the latest Tarmac or Venge.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by cadence90

What's that thing called in science where the result of the experiment is the result the experimenter wants to see when setting up the experiment?


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Bike business

[El Chaba]

Originally Posted by cadence90

What's that thing called in science where the result of the experiment is the result the experimenter wants to see when setting up the experiment?


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"Climate Change"?

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by El Chaba

"Climate Change"?

you forgot the
eek:
https://www.livescience.com/61239-fl...h-in-2017.html

Flat-Earthers believe that the Earth is a flat disc ringed by an ice wall. All those elegant models of a round Earth that perfectly explain seasons, eclipses, sunrises and sunsets? Lies and cover-ups, they say. Pictures of the round Earth from space? Government conspiracies. The fact that you can see ships disappearing hull-first over the curve of the horizon with your own eyes? Well, flat-Earthers claim to see something different.

[Black Dog]

Originally Posted by El Chaba

"Climate Change"?

Add gravity to that list!

[cmg]

at yesterday's afternoon grand national or weekly bike ride, saw a guy on steel track bike, the rear wheel wasn't fixed it freewheeled. He had no problem keeping up with the fast guys. don't need the latest to ride but they always look pretty. lemond's geometry never worked for me, the reach was always out of reach......

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

Do it. If I came across another 55cm for that price I'd buy and stash just in case anything happened to my original.

Picked it up today. It's in NOS condition. Unreal...

[Jaybee]

Originally Posted by Clean39T

Picked it up today. It's in NOS condition. Unreal...

Glad to hear it. I know you've got a lot of fine bikes in your stable (and seen many more over the past year), but I think you'll like this one. I hope you'll find a chance to compare it to your others for people like me who haven't ridden all the cool bikes you have.

Cheers.

[pdxharth]

Agreed. For a guy immersed in the bike-tech world as long and deep as he has been, he has a pretty even keel about it all. I appreciate his perspective.

Originally Posted by pbarry

Good read. Like AA's take on things.