Elan Musk promises full self-driveing car features by end of 2019 - Page 2

BobO · #16 02-19-2019, 07:36 PM

The devil is in the details. The catch is in what Musk didn't say Having systems that can leave a parking space and come get you is the easy part. Doing so with an extremely low probability of running someone over is the hard part. The latter won't happen for quite some time.

unterhausen · #17 02-19-2019, 07:38 PM

maybe they should keep the cars from running straight into a concrete wall at high speed first. Then we'll talk about moving forward with a more ambitious plan

buddybikes · #18 02-19-2019, 07:38 PM

What happens if there is a software bug and driver is busy writing an email? System crashes, is there 100% failaover? How to driverless cars handle windy back road of New England, with ice and snow?

This is so scary (to me)

gemship · #19 02-19-2019, 07:40 PM

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Many 4-door pickups with a V8 and 4WD will cost near $70, and the woods is full of them, even in Florida.

The Rivian looks nice, and I think even the big V8 aficionados might be open to a 180KW truck with 4 motors, 400 mile range and a 3 second 0-60 acceleration. Of course cold weather will reduce that range, and I suspect the top model will run closer to $100k. But at least in my opinion, a person gets far more value out of it than that Tesla car, junk or whatever.

If it comes with a decent warranty, and lives up to its advertise specs then it will likely sell - especially in our good economy. I still wouldn't buy one though, I just can't see spending over $30 or $40k on new car even it goes to the moon.

Yep I was thinking the same thing as I typed my last post but like you I am not that guy. I'm having too much fun with my new to me 09' 5 speed Subaru Outback. We just got some snow here in Ma. yesterday and it is so much fun driving this car in it. Stuffing it into questionable places and never getting stuck. I have even hauled firewood with it. Best 7k I ever spent. I could buy at least ten of this car for the price of a Rivian. So unless I hit the lottery I will never have one of those in my driveway. I have had mostly trucks in my 26 years of driving and although I miss the practicality of a truck bed I absolutely can't see the overpriced value of owning one. Unless you're making money with it. Saying this regarding all new vehicles.

sg8357 · #20 02-19-2019, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gemship

If Tesla is serious about making money selling all electric vehicles they really need to step it up with a product Americans will buy. It's called a 4wd truck and I believe the Detriot based Rivian can and will beat them to it.

Until Tesla's can roll coal, they have no future.
15 year old, beat up trucks work fine, 15 year old self driving electric
trucks ?

David Kirk · #21 02-19-2019, 07:59 PM

Can anyone explain how an autonomous car can position itself on a snow covered road?....or a dirt road?.....or new pavement that hasn't had lines painted yet?

dave

gemship · #22 02-19-2019, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sg8357

Until Tesla's can roll coal, they have no future.
15 year old, beat up trucks work fine, 15 year old self driving electric
trucks ?

That's funny so true. Ok so it hasn't been a total bed or rose's with the 10 year old Subie. The airbag light came on and was bugging me much like the tps light that's been on since day one I got it last Aug and not going to fix the latter because it's called a tire pressure gauge and common sense. However if there's a problem chances are someone made a video on how to fix it and so I found and fixed...fingers crossed. The fix was reflowing/adding a bit of solder to a tiny set of resistors on a PCB connect to more silly warning lamps. Can you imagine something not going wrong with a self driving car?...lol.

unterhausen · #23 02-19-2019, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by David Kirk

Can anyone explain how an autonomous car can position itself on a snow covered road?....or a dirt road?.....or new pavement that hasn't had lines painted yet?

dave

this is a really good question, and I think that's why any honest developer says it's too early. That was the problem that ran the tesla into the concrete barrier, they were relying on road lines and they were incomplete. The barrel covering the end of the wall was gone because of a previous crash. This kind of thing happens all the time on roads. Musk says they don't need lidar, i.e. it's too expensive, but cameras alone will kill people. Same thing driving into the side of the truck, a lidar would have been enough to keep that from happening.

MaraudingWalrus · #24 02-19-2019, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gemship

The real issue is who wants to spend 70k on a truck?

Have you priced a truck lately? TONS of the trucks you see on the roads in most urban-suburban areas cost at least that.

Louis · #25 02-19-2019, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by David Kirk

Can anyone explain how an autonomous car can position itself on a snow covered road?....or a dirt road?.....or new pavement that hasn't had lines painted yet?

I guessing that what they say for marketing purposes is one thing, and the reality in the fine print of the user's manual for non-optimal conditions will be something completely different.

Steve in SLO · #26 02-19-2019, 08:24 PM

The technology industry has a somewhat (in)famous track record of using end users as beta testers.
I hope self driving cars doesn’t become another example. It’s already unsettling (for me, at least) to see car commercials where manufacturers tout the safety features on their cars while showing a driver experimenting with taking their hands off the wheel.

adub · #27 02-19-2019, 08:42 PM

And in a completely unrelated story my work computer died on me in the middle of entering spreadsheet data today. Good thing I wasn't behind the wheel when this happened. LOL!!

mj_michigan · #28 02-19-2019, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by David Kirk

Can anyone explain how an autonomous car can position itself on a snow covered road?....or a dirt road?.....or new pavement that hasn't had lines painted yet?

dave

This would be Level 5 Autonomy -- quite some way out. Today's systems (Tesla's Autopilot, GM's Super Cruise, etc) are Level 2 because of the requirements that the driver keeps hands on the steering wheel and eyes on the road, just in case.
As of Dec. 2018, Waymo (Google) is "commercially" running Level 4 Autonomous vehicles in Phoenix -- geofenced (7x7 miles) and under fair weather conditions -- but, to the best of my knowledge, still has two engineers sitting in each car. Someone might have Level 3 in production, but I am not sure.

Seramount · #29 02-19-2019, 08:56 PM

computer-operated vehicles are probably only 95% competent at avoiding collisions...

which makes them significantly safer than human-operated ones.

most people absolutely suck at driving...

e.g., if it's used at all, the turn signal goes on BEFORE the brakes are depressed and the steering wheel is turned...

adub · #30 02-19-2019, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Seramount

computer-operated vehicles are probably only 95% competent at avoiding collisions...

which makes them significantly safer than human-operated ones.

most people absolutely suck at driving...

e.g., if it's used at all, the turn signal goes on BEFORE the brakes are depressed and the steering wheel is turned...

I agree with this with the exception of driving is severe bad weather, snowstorms, mud and crap spraying up on optical sensors etc.