OT: (Patriots) Kraft charged with soliciting

[Bruce K]

I did n’t know all the details

Still waiting

If I understand the stories so far, the investigation was into human trafficking but has been charged with 2 misdemeanor counts of soliciting prostitution.

To me, based on the charges, at worst, he is a John who got busted in a much larger investigation. Not smart, if true, but not sure it brings him to the level of human trafficker.

Again, I’ll wait for details, but let’s lay off his deceased wife.

BK

[45K10]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

This is an ancillary concern to that of the trafficking victims, but if the NFL can essentially force out Jerry Richardson for being a bat**** crazy racist lecher, can they also push Kraft out?

Gotta protect the image of the league, concussions be damned.

It's okay, he'll get a presidential pardon

[Bruce K]

Let’s leave politics out of this.

There’s enough to discuss as it is.

BK

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by unterhausen

Not saying it's not true sometimes, but prostitution and human trafficking are being conflated with each other all the time now. They drove sex workers off of CL and this has generally been bad. We should legalize it and license sex workers and quit pretending that it's a big deal if handled properly.

Yep.

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by 45K10

B. You have to know that going to someplace like that the women who are preforming the acts are more than likely being pressured into doing so.

This is what I'm asking. How do you know this? How would he know this? I am naive. I've never gone to a day spa, I've never paid for a legitimate massage, I've never paid for sex, I just don't know about these things. How does one know this?

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by gemship

I dunno Bruce, so what exactly is this human trafficking charge? Seems like really bad publicity either way. Heck I'd rather have LA's rap than these charges that Kraft is facing. I don't wanna insinuate that I stand on high moral ground but I guess that's just it. Prostitution is one of those highly immoral things. At times it can draw parallels to the war against drugs but for a lot of folks its just a very heinous act against family values, the value of human life. At any rate he's not guilty yet but this doesn't look good. Not for him, the team or the sport.

With all due respect, gemship, "family values" has been used to persecute many different groups of people. I cringe when I hear that term.

[FlashUNC]

Bahahahahahahaha.

Worth $6 billion and he can't find a decent escort? C'mon man.

Patriots have a problem with getting caught with stuff on tape after all.

[bthornt]

Gettin' his freak on at 77? Good for him, but otherwise I can't get worked up about it.

[Elefantino]

Originally Posted by 45K10

It's okay, he'll get a presidential pardon

State crime, so no.

That aside, the NFL mandates that its cheerleaders act as de facto escorts at team functions, so no, the league won't do anything.

[72gmc]

I find it hard to believe the Florida police chief is "stunned."

[Dave B]

I never understood how prostitution is illegal and porn isn't. So if you have a place to have sex and people filming it and hanging around it is ok? All participants in Porn are paid to have sex.

Truly how is it different than prostitution? Would it be legal if they filmed it?


Sex trafficking is sick. When the super bowl was in Indy I spoke with several detectives and they estimated that during events like this it is common for something like 200K women are bought and sold during these massive sporting events.

I simply cannot fathom how this can happen. Granted I work with 12 year olds, so my world revolves around the stupid Kardashians and which sports star is the best.

I know there are sick men and women out there, but to buy a child for the purpose...well buying a person is still incredibly sickening. I don't know how folks become wired to be able to do that.

[Dave B]

Originally Posted by Elefantino

State crime, so no.

That aside, the NFL mandates that its cheerleaders act as de facto escorts at team functions, so no, the league won't do anything.

I was unaware of this. I thought it was an NFL rule that cheerleaders and players are not to interact at all. Unless they are escorts for non-player types.

[Elefantino]

Originally Posted by Dave B

I was unaware of this. I thought it was an NFL rule that cheerleaders and players are not to interact at all. Unless they are escorts for non-player types.

The latter. The non-player, big-money types.

[Jaybee]

Originally Posted by Dave B

I was unaware of this. I thought it was an NFL rule that cheerleaders and players are not to interact at all. Unless they are escorts for non-player types.

Big money season ticket holders, friends of ownership, that sort of thing.

Here is one nauseating example.

[sitzmark]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

Big money season ticket holders, friends of ownership, that sort of thing.

Here is one nauseating example.

There was never any evidence of forced sexual relations associated with that incident. The semi-private photoshoot was questionable judgement, but the after-hours attendance at a team function is not out of the ordinary. I've certainly been at a number of functions where I didn't really want to be but my presence was "expected" as company management. As team representatives the cheerleaders fill a similar role.

It has been a (very) long time, but I dated a KC cheerleader in college and never saw evidence of any mistreatment/inappropriate expectations of the cheerleaders. My roommate was a KU cheerleader (male) and the crew male/female were often around - for sure a party crowd, but again no evidence of females being pressured to engage in anything inappropriate.

I guess one could ask why cheerleaders are even part of the game - whatever the sporting event. It's a fair question. But if men/women are going to accept those roles as public representatives of the organization, then interfacing with the public is part of the schtick.

As far a Kraft ... not enough public information to know what the real story is. The good news is that the women have been rescued from that situation.