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Old 12-13-2017, 02:11 AM
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:31 AM
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Probably. Telegraph is usually pretty good on these things.

If you think about the whole team philosophy at Team Sky and Team GB (remembered managed and coached by same people), you look for all these little things which you can do to pick up performance.

With this mindset, it is only a natural to look for a TUE to be abused. Think of the time he was using the asthma inhaler mid race a few years back.

This is essentially the same philosophy of Salazar and Nike Project.

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Old 12-13-2017, 04:21 AM
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Does anyone here know if this is true:
What do you expect them to say? "He has been injecting the drug or taking it orally and got a dodgy TUE to explain the drug in his system, but he overdid it and it would take fifty puffs on an inhaler to cause the levels found. He messed up. Ban him. We are sorry."?

Froome is the guy who wrote a book where he laid on a thick sob story about how many diseases he had, everything from bilharzia to typhoid, half a dozen conditions, to explain why he was a mediocre at best racer until his transformation, but he forgot to mention he also had asthma. Sounds legit.
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:32 AM
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:58 AM
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Wiggins also had an alleged history of severe asthma too. Really we shouldn’t be trying to persecute Sky but hoisting them up on a pedestal as leaders in the EEO movements. Look at how they have taken a huge risk by hiring the infirm and trough exemplary coaching techniques brought them to the pinnacle of competitive cycling.

As a lifelong sufferer of asthma I salute you Team Sky! Well done sirs!
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:29 AM
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Keep an eye out for the upcoming book, "It's Not About the Inhaler".....
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:16 AM
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Cripes.

I did not ask, "What would I expect Sky to say?"

I did ask, "Is what Sky stated actually true?"

Totally different things.
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Actually you asked if Sky said what they said ; )
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:33 AM
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I have EIA, use this drug when riding and have used it in competition (during warmup, never during the race). Via an inhaler, it's approved, via injection, it is not. I used an inhaler. The standard dose is two puffs, which are 90mcg each.

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Old 12-13-2017, 07:59 AM
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I have EIA, use this drug when riding and have used it in competition (during warmup, never during the race). Via an inhaler, it's approved, via injection, it is not. I used an inhaler. The standard dose is two puffs, which are 90mcg each. If he tested at 2,000 mcg, that's at least TWENTY TWO puffs or ELEVEN TIMES the recommended dose. I'm sorry, but there's no excuse for that.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:01 AM
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He clearly has a bigger upload/download package from Sky than is offered to the run of the mill customer.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:03 AM
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I have EIA, use this drug when riding and have used it in competition (during warmup, never during the race). Via an inhaler, it's approved, via injection, it is not. I used an inhaler. The standard dose is two puffs, which are 90mcg each. If he tested at 2,000 mcg, that's at least TWENTY TWO puffs or ELEVEN TIMES the recommended dose. I'm sorry, but there's no excuse for that.
WOW that definitely puts it into perspective. Thanks for the comparison.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:09 AM
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Same. Lifelong asthmatic. Inhaler before races/hard rides. 100mcg per puff.

Likely he took some tablet form or injection/liquid. Well over the approved amount. At this level, and as Sky subscribes to, marginal gains are important. He (Sky?) will have to resolve this one with some incredible story.

Waiting, with popcorn in hand.

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I have EIA, use this drug when riding and have used it in competition (during warmup, never during the race). Via an inhaler, it's approved, via injection, it is not. I used an inhaler. The standard dose is two puffs, which are 90mcg each. If he tested at 2,000 mcg, that's at least TWENTY TWO puffs or ELEVEN TIMES the recommended dose. I'm sorry, but there's no excuse for that.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:48 AM
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Most likely that the substance was present in a blood bag taken during the race. Echo positive.
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:09 AM
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Wiggins also had an alleged history of severe asthma too. Really we shouldn’t be trying to persecute Sky but hoisting them up on a pedestal as leaders in the EEO movements. Look at how they have taken a huge risk by hiring the infirm and through exemplary coaching techniques brought them to the pinnacle of competitive cycling.

As a lifelong sufferer of asthma I salute you Team Sky! Well done sirs!
I like the light touch of sarcasm here.

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Old 12-13-2017, 09:21 AM
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It can be true that the drug concentration in urine will vary with different body conditions - dehydration, timing, whatever. Just off a freshman-level knowledge of chemistry, I would be shocked were this not the case.

It can also be true that the threshold for illicit use has to be set somewhere, regardless of the body conditions, and that its up to the TUE rider to be sure he/she is always below that threshold.

Poor excuse from Sky, IMO.
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