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Old 08-05-2020, 12:27 PM
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Tour of Poland crash (8/5/20)

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Old 08-05-2020, 12:34 PM
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The guy in the front shouldn't have done what he did

I know the other idiot trying to pass at the inside anyways, duh! but either way at some point you have to be aware that somebody can die if you close the doorway the way the guy in the front did.

In court of law the guy passing from the inside is at mistake, but guy at the front shouldnt have closed the doorway...


What ever happened with the riders? somebody died?
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:48 PM
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The guy rode him right into the barriers. Not cool, especially at that speed.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:51 PM
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the jumbo rider in front should be ejected. you dont close the door against a barrier
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:53 PM
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The guy rode him right into the barriers. Not cool, especially at that speed.
From that clip, it doesn't look intentional to me. It seems like momentum was taking both riders high side.
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:06 PM
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From that clip, it doesn't look intentional to me. It seems like momentum was taking both riders high side.
The overhead shot is a lot more damning for Groenewegen. He slowly closes the door to the right, but despite this Jakobson draws alongside. But at this point, Groenewegen continues to try to shut the door, and puts his elbow out. That's what put Jakobson into the barriers, and it shouldn't have happened.

I read on Twitter that Jakobson is intubated and in an induced coma. Really hope he pulls through okay.
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:06 PM
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From that clip, it doesn't look intentional to me. It seems like momentum was taking both riders high side.
Was 100% intentional. At the :02-:03 mark you can see Groenewegen veer to his right/the left barriers and stick out his right arm as he senses Jakobsen coming up hot and Jakobsen changes his path. At :04 you see Groenewegen veer further toward the barriers as Jakobsen has already steered clear of Groenewegen's initial path change, but Groenewegen again veers right and sticks out his arm.

Groenewegen is completely at fault and his disqualification was merited, and could possibly merit further punishment. It was reckless and wholly avoidable.

Multiple views below. Overhead view from 1:10 shows exactly how Groenewegen ran Jakobsen into the barrier. And the photographer got the worst of it, without a helmet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4oe9TAYVYA

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Old 08-05-2020, 01:10 PM
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Agree with comments above. Stuff happens in the heat of the moment, but that was reckless. A ban is appropriate.
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:15 PM
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Groenewegen is completely at fault and his disqualification was merited, and could possibly merit further punishment. It was reckless and wholly avoidable.
Agreed on this.

Closing the door is removing a possible line from your contender's options - depriving them of the opportunity. You lose the chance to close the door on them when they're drawn alongside you. At that point, any lateral move is impeding them, not just taking away a possible line.

Groenewegen launches his sprint and Jakobson has one-third of the road to the right of Groenewegen.


Groenewegen tries to shut the door but it's too late - Jakobson has drawn alongside him.


But despite this Groenewegen continues to his right and puts Jakobson into the barriers, even though Jakobson is on his way by. It was a desperation move by Groenewegen and it had one of the worst possible outcomes.
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:20 PM
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It was a desperation move by Groenewegen and it had one of the worst possible outcomes.
And Jakobsen is in a medically induced coma after having to be revived at the scene. Judge is also in a coma:
https://translate.google.com/transla...%2Fstory.shtml

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Old 08-05-2020, 01:38 PM
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He shut the door because he knew he was losing the sprint. Simple as that.

Nothing Jakobsen could've done differently, except maybe picking a different line. But it's pro racing and taking this fairly common risk shouldn't put him in a coma.

Groenewegen fvcked up big time.
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:39 PM
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The overhead shot is a lot more damning for Groenewegen. He slowly closes the door to the right, but despite this Jakobson draws alongside. But at this point, Groenewegen continues to try to shut the door, and puts his elbow out. That's what put Jakobson into the barriers, and it shouldn't have happened.

I read on Twitter that Jakobson is intubated and in an induced coma. Really hope he pulls through okay.
Groenenwegen is known as a bit of a reckless rider
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:41 PM
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And Jakobsen is in a medically induced coma:
https://translate.google.com/transla...%2Fstory.shtml
Same was reported by the Belgian media, they have a reporter on the scene and he is very negative about the situation.

Let's hope Jakobsen recovers
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:51 PM
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Cripes sake that doesn't look good at all.
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Old 08-05-2020, 02:04 PM
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the photos show he left his line when he didn't have to. Ban
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