The correct pronunciation of Pannier

[oldpotatoe]

pan-ee-er..3 syllables..pan-ee-er...

"Pair-iss"..Paris, "Pair-iss"..not 'pair-ee'...

"I speak 2 languages, american and bad american."

[redir]

Originally Posted by jtakeda

I guess I kind of get what youre saying but by that standard we have to know every language?

I’ll pronounce Japanese words correctly but I’m not jumping down people’s throats whenever they say the word “Futon” incorrectly

Ok now I'm curious. I've been saying foo-t-on all along. Is that wrong?

[fiamme red]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

"Pair-iss"..Paris, "Pair-iss"..not 'pair-ee'...

That would be correct for the one in Texas.

[jtakeda]

Originally Posted by redir

Ok now I'm curious. I've been saying foo-t-on all along. Is that wrong?

Yeah. That’s wrong.
In Japanese there’s no fricatives when using the “f” sound.

The way you say “futon” is
Hu—thohn —with a hard accent on the “th” which almost makes a short hard “d” sound.

I know what people are trying to say and that’s all really matters right?

[bobswire]

Originally Posted by jtakeda

Yeah. That’s wrong.
In Japanese there’s no fricatives when using the “f” sound.

The way you say “futon” is
Hu—thohn —with a hard accent on the “th” which almost makes a short hard “d” sound.

I know what people are trying to say and that’s all really matters right?

Hey J, which is it.

Oakland (proper)

Oaktown (street)

The Town (warriors)

When folks asked me were I was from in the bay area, I would say the City, rather than San Francisco or city by the Bay or Frisco, though I liked Frisco.

San Francisco (proper)

The City (local)

City by the Bay (Herb Caen)

Frisco (Hells Angels)

[Elefantino]

Originally Posted by bobswire

Hey J, which is it.

Oakland (proper)

Oaktown (street)

The Town (warriors)

When folks asked me were I was from in the bay area, I would say the City, rather than San Francisco or city by the Bay or Frisco, though I liked Frisco.

San Francisco (proper)

The City (local)

City by the Bay (Herb Caen)

Frisco (Hells Angels)

Next season the Warriors will once again wear "The City," made famous by the Barry/Thurmond teams.

RIP, the Town.

[fiamme red]

Originally Posted by Elefantino

Next season the Warriors will once again wear "The City," made famous by the Barry/Thurmond teams.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...ed-7214115.php

[redir]

Originally Posted by jtakeda

Yeah. That’s wrong.
In Japanese there’s no fricatives when using the “f” sound.

The way you say “futon” is
Hu—thohn —with a hard accent on the “th” which almost makes a short hard “d” sound.

I know what people are trying to say and that’s all really matters right?

Yup that's all that matters. As a of mere interest in proper pronunciation though it's cool, thanks.

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Here in Virginia I cringe every time these two names are pronounced locally:

Buena Vista -> B-you-na Vista
Botetourt -> Bot-ta-tot

But the proper pronunciation of a place is defined as how the locals say it so there ya go.

[jtakeda]

Originally Posted by bobswire

Hey J, which is it.

Oakland (proper)

Oaktown (street)

The Town (warriors)

When folks asked me were I was from in the bay area, I would say the City, rather than San Francisco or city by the Bay or Frisco, though I liked Frisco.

San Francisco (proper)

The City (local)

City by the Bay (Herb Caen)

Frisco (Hells Angels)

I always called in the town and the city.
You can call it whatever you want as long as it’s not

“Oaklandia”
Or
“San Fran”

Get outta here with that

But back to the original topic pronunciation of foreign words is largely unimportant if you understand what they’re saying.
People are going to butcher words not in their native tongue and that’s ok.

[bobswire]

Originally Posted by Elefantino

Next season the Warriors will once again wear "The City," made famous by the Barry/Thurmond teams.

RIP, the Town.

Yep, true that and my first foray into loving basketball, Thurmond was one of my fav all time Warriors.

[whateveronfire]

My favorite part of the video is my friend Chris Kelly of Topanga Creek Outpost refusing to acknowledge the existence of them at all.

[happycampyer]

It’s interesting how some words like “pannier” are assimilated into the language, and (mostly) retain their original spelling (or maybe the old French had two n’s?), but the pronunciation changes (and sometimes the meaning, as here), whereas with other words the spelling changes to match the change in pronunciation. A great example of this is “chaise lounge,” which is derived from the French “chaise longue,” meaning literally a long chair. The feminine adjective “longue” somehow became “lounge.” The final transformation was to “lounge chair.”

Another interesting bastardized word is “umbrella.” It’s derived from “ombrelle,” which is designed to block the sun (ombre = shade), as in a small parasol. It’s fabric is not designed for rain. An umbrella on the other hand is meant for the rain, and the French term is “parapluie.”

So I accept that “pannier” is actually an English word derived from “panier” (with one “n,” meaning “basket”), and the correct pronunciation is “panyeer” or “pany-er.” The French word for a pannier is “sacoche.” So one puts an umbrella in a pannier, and on mets une parapluie dans une sacoche.

Originally Posted by d_douglas

<-- un banane qui danse -

”Banana” is feminine in French, so it would be “une banane dansante” (or for some, “une banane emmerdante”).

[flydhest]

Originally Posted by redir

Yup that's all that matters. As a of mere interest in proper pronunciation though it's cool, thanks.



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Here in Virginia I cringe every time these two names are pronounced locally:



Buena Vista -> B-you-na Vista

Botetourt -> Bot-ta-tot



But the proper pronunciation of a place is defined as how the locals say it so there ya go.

Except Paris, apparently.

[Salsa_Lover]

10 minutes video for that ?

well originally it is a French word ( with only one n ) , that means basket.

i guess the english approximation of it would be Pan-yay with the stress in yay

but as if it has been absorbed into english, you get to define now the correct pronunciation of it in english right ?

[Mark McM]

Since pirates are way cooler than bike baskets -

One of my favorite Anglicized French word is 'boucanes', which is a French word for the huts used by Caribbean hunters to make smoke meats. These smoked (jerked) meats were popular with the pirates in the area, who became known as "buccaneers".

Or then there is the Spanish word "vaquero" meaning a mounted livestock herder. Mexican vaqueros in what is now the southwestern US were the foundation of the American cowboys that came later, and the name vaquero became Anglicized (Americanized) to "buckaroo".