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Exactly. Which is why Merckx is the G.O.A.T.
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My aunt matila's mustache..this is ignorant. And how about making it proper size, we hear ya...
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Lemond is brave. Merckx is boss. Lance is a bully.
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In the early mid 2000's we had him back in Philadelphia for a cancer survivors fund raiser/gala dinner. Although I had no interaction with him, everybody that did was absolutely blown away and how much on an entitled asshol he was. People at the table wanted out, servers complained and he made some demands that were just down right crazy. If I remember correctly, one issue was that we PAID him and not his foundation an honorarium. Not unheard of, but still unusual in that situation given the amount. |
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Little sidenote to this thread: years ago in our group of riding buddies was an ex-eastern bloc pro. The blood stuff was coming out in late 70's, early 80's, he didn't talk about it much but said yep it happened. Experimental stuff, athletes were literally test dummies. Crazy.
Our buddy was a freight train and I do mean freight train. He could park it at 30mph on the flats literally all day, and despite being a big guy, could go uphill with the best in the area. And that was just natural talent, years after retiring. The level of skill of top amateur vs. run-of-the-mill euro pro is just so astounding. I can only fathom the decision tree some guys must have to make today just to be even slightly relevant to a pro team. Especially kids who don't have any sort of cushion to fall back on with education or family/money. Last edited by 54ny77; 08-15-2020 at 08:13 AM. |
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Maybe we should sticky this as "Please don't say stupid stuff trying to defend Lance". Charles, I'd love to hear the things that EM did that you think rival the things Lance did. Last edited by makoti; 08-15-2020 at 08:24 AM. |
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Not a fan of Lemond. Too big a whiner for me. Having watched the tour back in his days I was surprised how many extra pounds he was carrying starting the Tour in his later years. I can understand peaking for mountain stages, but I never understood the extra pounds.
Hinault and the top riders before him were the "Boss" of the peloton. They decided who got to go on breaks - lots of bullying. Jeff |
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I wish we could have had the media access in North America we have now when Merckx was at his peak. We were racing, gleaning a little here and there, saw the occasional clip on Wide World of Sports--but it was fragmentary.
Even the Tour--we knew it was big--but not THAT BIG. And having watched more racing in the past ten years than in the previous thirty--for me, what Merckx managed to do gets more, rather than less amazing. And one tidbit sticks out--how often he raced in pain. By his own account, the derny crash that he was involved in (his pacer was killed) left him with persistent problems from then on--somewhere he says that after than he could never get comfortable on a bike. From Wikipedia: Quote:
OTOH, LA was lucky, never had to race for cash on the track in the winter, never competed in the classics, was able to focus all of his attention on entering the TdF etc etc etc |
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22868823/ I had the opportunity to have a couple of long chats with pro tour mechanics that were active in the late 80s, 90s and early 00. Both of them said that Indurain was a gentleman and really gifted. Both said that Armstrong was an asshole, one said that he was evidently a cheater, everyone knew during his years. I also talked about Lemond with one of them and he said vehemently that there's no chance he didn't dope. At this level everyone dopes, since the conception of competitive cyclism. The difference is that before 1995 the most gifted was winning, and after that year the winners were the most/best doped. Last edited by nachetetm; 08-17-2020 at 09:10 AM. |
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Sean Kelly spoke highly of how LeMond rode races . Being shot with a shot gun can cause you later to carry some extra weight. |
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This thread is just stupid.
I realize there is a movement to take all of history and burn it to the ground. And you hope that something good will sprout out of the ashes. Eddy Merckx was no Jeb Stuart. He didn't kill anyone. Lots and lots of cheaters and wife beaters and guys who gave girlfriend black eyes in the peloton. Ullrich , Pantini, are you going to deny that you enjoyed their performances? Please, it's just stupid entertainment. Save your soul searching for more important things. |
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Nothing I’ve read has advocated tearing anything down. There has been a lot of drug use in cycling since the beginning of racing. Bike tech and drug tech has improved over the decades and I see no reason for one to be banned and the other not the problem comes with nostalgia and it rampant everywhere not just in cycling
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Don't forget this advantage to open lungs...
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