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Old 11-10-2019, 10:55 AM
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damn, what a start to the game. City with two gilt-edged chances off of set pieces, and LFC escaped unscathed after playing with fire (aka holding an extremely high line and not getting a jump on things). Except LFC escapes and goes on to score almost out of nowhere...
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:45 PM
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The revised hand ball rule is stupid. Case in point is MC vs LFC. Even with VAR.

Go back to the previous interpretation. Much easier to enforce.
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:47 PM
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And I am not a fan of either side. Just wanted an entertaining match.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:03 PM
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The revised hand ball rule is stupid. Case in point is MC vs LFC. Even with VAR.

Go back to the previous interpretation. Much easier to enforce.
to be honest, I think they were making up rules on the fly. There's no adherence to any interpretation.

Taken on its own merit (which is to say, without consideration of whether it may have struck the arm of an attacking player), TAA's first handball incident should have been penalized. Players certainly have been penalized for incidents less egregious (e.g. closer to the ball or arm closer to the body).

However, the ball apparently struck B. Silva's arm immediately beforehand (although I haven't seen anything to show this), with the further twist that if City were to score a subsequent goal (after the ball strikes the arm of a City player in the opponent box), it'd be chalked off, whereas if City were not to score a subsequent goal, the game is supposed to carry on without consideration of whether a City player handled it first (which appears to be the scenario most comparable to what happened). Why VAR wasn't used immediately, with the whistle blown, is a bit of mystery.

It's all rather mad, and it's understandable that Pep would be rather indignant over all this.

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Old 11-11-2019, 06:19 AM
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Exactly. It hit Silva first. That should have been called. No issue then.

Pep did himself no favors. Thought he was way over the top. Klopp not much better about the substitution issue.

Meanwhile Pulisic is on a tear. Why cannot the USMNT capture that?

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to be honest, I think they were making up rules on the fly. There's no adherence to any interpretation.

Taken on its own merit (which is to say, without consideration of whether it may have struck the arm of an attacking player), TAA's first handball incident should have been penalized. Players certainly have been penalized for incidents less egregious (e.g. closer to the ball or arm closer to the body).

However, the ball apparently struck B. Silva's arm immediately beforehand (although I haven't seen anything to show this), with the further twist that if City were to score a subsequent goal (after the ball strikes the arm of a City player in the opponent box), it'd be chalked off, whereas if City were not to score a subsequent goal, the game is supposed to carry on without consideration of whether a City player handled it first (which appears to be the scenario most comparable to what happened). Why VAR wasn't used immediately, with the whistle blown, is a bit of mystery.

It's all rather mad, and it's understandable that Pep would be rather indignant over all this.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:14 AM
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Meanwhile Pulisic is on a tear. Why cannot the USMNT capture that?
That is the delightful surprise of the season. He was good at Dortmund, but never showed consistency through a stretch of games, with decision making also off at times.

It's actually quite amazing what Lampard has been able to inculcate, as the transition from the Bundesliga to the Premier League isn't all that smooth (just look at Mkhitaryan). His main drawback has always been 1) lack of good shooting boots and 2) losing the ball on the dribble when he should have just passed. Seems to have made improvements on both fronts, with even the shots that were saved some real stingers.

Not sure if his current pace could be sustained, but the signs are quite positive.

As for the USMNT, there's no rhyme or reason. Just nepotism ran amok; ugh...
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:15 AM
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Meanwhile Pulisic is on a tear. Why cannot the USMNT capture that?
Some players can carry a team on their back (Maradona) and some can't (Messi).

Those examples show that it's more down to factors other than the leading player's playing merits. Maradona, famously undisciplined, was very extroverted with his teammates, who all swear he made the team better. Messi seems to sap the confidence of his supporting cast (on the AMNT), who defer to him to a degree that reduces the whole.

Jury is still out on Pulisic. If he grows into a leading figure at Chelsea, maybe he can leverage some of that for the USMNT.
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Old 11-16-2019, 11:23 AM
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anyone saw the hilarity that was the USMNT v Canada match?

hilarious in the sense that so many bad touches ended up being fortuitous bounces. rather s***e playing, i'd say

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Old 11-19-2019, 01:53 PM
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and yikes

Tottenham sacks Pochettino...

Rather outrageous, I'd say, given the problem has as much to do with Daniel Levy...

Dude is certainly under-appreciated...

PS. Come to think of it, Bayern is looking for a new manager. Would be quite the coup for them to snag Poch

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Old 11-19-2019, 06:53 PM
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Tottenham sacks Pochettino...

Rather outrageous, I'd say, given the problem has as much to do with Daniel Levy...

Dude is certainly under-appreciated...

PS. Come to think of it, Bayern is looking for a new manager. Would be quite the coup for them to snag Poch
Ancelotti might be available!!
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:27 PM
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Tottenham sacks Pochettino...

Rather outrageous, I'd say, given the problem has as much to do with Daniel Levy...

Dude is certainly under-appreciated...

PS. Come to think of it, Bayern is looking for a new manager. Would be quite the coup for them to snag Poch
Levy really does have a lot to answer for, both because of the small budgets—even with the looser purse strings last summer—and the debacle with the stadium construction. On the other hand, the team had stopped playing for Poch. Spurs were very, very lucky to finish in the top four last season, and they were even luckier to qualify for the CL final. Poch's system may well be better suited to younger players looking to make their mark. Anyway, I just hope it's not Mourhino. I can't bear the thought of watching a club like Spurs play Mourinho's system.
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Old 11-19-2019, 10:32 PM
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Ancelotti might be available!!
they could certainly do a lot worse...



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Levy really does have a lot to answer for, both because of the small budgets—even with the looser purse strings last summer—and the debacle with the stadium construction. On the other hand, the team had stopped playing for Poch. Spurs were very, very lucky to finish in the top four last season, and they were even luckier to qualify for the CL final. Poch's system may well be better suited to younger players looking to make their mark. Anyway, I just hope it's not Mourhino. I can't bear the thought of watching a club like Spurs play Mourinho's system.
rumor has it that Levy is meeting with the Special One, whose team was humiliated 0-3 at Old Trafford in 2018 by Spurs, thereby prompting a rather zany post-match press conferences, with shouts of "sssree-nil" and "respek"

also, Levy's crazier-than-a-fox negotiation tactics surely backfired, with most of the back line just waiting to see out the contract. As you said, Spurs got extraordinarily lucky last year, but Levy somehow doesn't realize how precarious their situation was.
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Old 11-20-2019, 08:27 AM
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I was really enjoying the PL without Mourinho in it.
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:32 AM
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Is Levy now going to spend for Mourinho? When Spurs have no chance to win? After he wouldn't spend when they could have won the league? Or is Levy going to hamstring Mourinho? As he did Poch? In which case, what even is the thinking behind this move?
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:53 AM
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Is Levy now going to spend for Mourinho? When Spurs have no chance to win? After he wouldn't spend when they could have won the league? Or is Levy going to hamstring Mourinho? As he did Poch? In which case, what even is the thinking behind this move?
he's thinking he can rake in enough cash by having NFL play more games there and that fans will keep pouring into that ginormous 60k stadium

Mourinho may get him a cup win, not the European Cup, but maybe the FA Cup. Then it'll all go to sh*te. After which, Levy will then bribe Mourinho a good $10M to have the latter go away.

Truly appalling bit of business. Spurs will go back to contending with West Ham for the honors of third best team in London...
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