Need help: Vintage Campagnolo Shamal wheel type

[Remko]

Hello all,

I bought the below Campagnolo Shamal wheelset with campa record hubs 700c 8sp. I guess the hubs are campa record as the have the oil valve and other models don't have that. There is no "Record" mentioned anywhere.

My question, does anyone know what the model name of this set is? There are only Campagnolo and Shamal labels on it but not a label with the model name.

Thanks in advance for your input.

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[thirdgenbird]

Shamal is the model. Shamal had record hubs. The lower end wheels were the vento amd scirocco.

[carpediemracing]

I thought Shamals were 12 spoke and the Ventos were 16 spoke, at least they were for a bit (I had the Ventos, other riders I knew had Shamals). The wheels pictured may be earlier/earliest Shamals which may have come with higher spoke counts.

Campy didn't make different "Shamals", meaning the hubs were whatever they spec'ed.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by carpediemracing

I thought Shamals were 12 spoke and the Ventos were 16 spoke, at least they were for a bit (I had the Ventos, other riders I knew had Shamals). The wheels pictured may be earlier/earliest Shamals which may have come with higher spoke counts.

Campy didn't make different "Shamals", meaning the hubs were whatever they spec'ed.

Shamals started as 16 spokes, went to 12 spoke, I've seen some 12/16.

[thirdgenbird]

If I recall, the original deep shamals went:
16
12
12 straight pull (hpw)
14/16 straight pull

I've got a pair of 14/16 wheels. These wheels dropped weight so I'm guessing they took material out of the rim and added more spokes to compensate.


All shamals had record hub internals. Vento wheels had a few more spokes and I think the hub was chorus/Athena level.

[Remko]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Shamal is the model. Shamal had record hubs. The lower end wheels were the vento amd scirocco.

Great, thank you for the clear explanation!

[Remko]

One more question, you see different shamal stickers on the rims when you surf the internet, what does the sticker I have say about the wheel?

The below mentioned are different than mine? Does this say anything about the time or type or???


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[thirdgenbird]

The stickers changed over time.

On my list above, the first three had variants of the pink decal. The straight pull wheels said hpw-12 under shamal. The last one was an all silver decal as the rims were changed to black. These black wheels no longer said hpw even though it was the same hub as the prior hpw wheels.

I think your decals were only used a short time on the first 16 spoke wheels. I've seen them before, but maybe only one or twice.

[zap]

The original Shamal's also came in a SL model.

[thirdgenbird]

I don't recall that. How was it different?

[Remko]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

The stickers changed over time.

On my list above, the first three had variants of the pink decal. The straight pull wheels said hpw-12 under shamal. The last one was an all silver decal as the rims were changed to black. These black wheels no longer said hpw even though it was the same hub as the prior hpw wheels.

I think your decals were only used a short time on the first 16 spoke wheels. I've seen them before, but maybe only one or twice.

I paid 200 euro / 225 USD for them. Is this reasonable? I'm asking because I’m not sure I want to use them for my bike and consider to sell them on eBay or somewhere else.

[alexstar]

I have a pair of these with the "rainbow" decal like yours. This is the first generation Shamal, 16 spoke only, Record hubs. 225 euro is a fine deal.

[zap]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

I don't recall that. How was it different?

Aluminum freehub.

[Mark McM]

Those stickers indicate that this is a 1993 Campagnolo Shamal, the first year of production for this model, and one of the first complete wheels that Campagnolo produced (I think it was the first Campagnolo complete spoke wheel they made, previous Campagnolo complete wheels were disc wheels).

The hubs on the original Shamal wheels were roughly equivalent to Record hubs (but with fewer spoke holes).

Shamal wheels started as 16 spokes, and then went to 12 spokes in 1996 (possibly to differentiate them from Vento wheels and Zonda wheels, which used 16 spokes). The 12 spoke rear wheels proved unreliable, so the Shamal rear wheels returned to 16 spokes in 1998 (fronts stayed with 12). The original deep rimmed Shamal "fluid dynamic" aero wheels disappeared after 2001. The Shamal name re-appeared on a G3 laced medium profile wheel in 2007.

[Remko]

Originally Posted by Mark McM

Those stickers indicate that this is a 1993 Campagnolo Shamal, the first year of production for this model, and one of the first complete wheels that Campagnolo produced (I think it was the first Campagnolo complete spoke wheel they made, previous Campagnolo complete wheels were disc wheels).

The hubs on the original Shamal wheels were roughly equivalent to Record hubs (but with fewer spoke holes).

Shamal wheels started as 16 spokes, and then went to 12 spokes in 1996 (possibly to differentiate them from Vento wheels and Zonda wheels, which used 16 spokes). The 12 spoke rear wheels proved unreliable, so the Shamal rear wheels returned to 16 spokes in 1998 (fronts stayed with 12). The original deep rimmed Shamal "fluid dynamic" aero wheels disappeared after 2001. The Shamal name re-appeared on a G3 laced medium profile wheel in 2007.

Thank you very much for the explanation. Can you value my wheelset if I want to sell it on ebay?