New Style Derailleur Hangers?

[Hindmost]

I believe the term 'clip-in' predated clipless pedals. Sean Kelly would clip-in. During the first few yards of a criterium it was a chalenge to quickly clip in and tighten the strap.

[pobrien]

Do you not get the same effect by using a 'long' throw rear derailleur?

I installed a larger rear cassette on my Master Light and went with a medium Campagnolo derailleur as clearance with the short throw unit was tight on the larger sprockets.

[ultraman6970]

This sucks, my most modern bike is even more obsolete now

[P K]

Originally Posted by Hindmost

I believe the term 'clip-in' predated clipless pedals. Sean Kelly would clip-in. During the first few yards of a criterium it was a chalenge to quickly clip in and tighten the strap.

Before "clipless" , pedals had "toe clips", that's why we say " clipless" , now there are no clips :-)

[P K]

Originally Posted by pobrien

Do you not get the same effect by using a 'long' throw rear derailleur?

I installed a larger rear cassette on my Master Light and went with a medium Campagnolo derailleur as clearance with the short throw unit was tight on the larger sprockets.

You don't get the same effect, "direct mount" derailleurs just have a different configuration to mount to the frame, nothing to do with cage length or tooth capacity.

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by pobrien

Do you not get the same effect by using a 'long' throw rear derailleur?

A little, but not nearly as much. The main benefit of a long cage derailleur is larger capacity (ability to take up chain slack). Derailleurs have a spring on the mounting bolt pivot to help the derailleur cage move up and down to match the sprocket size. But the traditional dropout pivot location only allows the pivot to provide a limited amount of vertical movement*. The "Direct mount" derailleurs offset the top pivot further away from the cage, allowing more vertical cage travel, thus allowing a larger range of sprocket sizes.

*Originally, derailleur top pivots did not have springs, and were adjusted to a fixed angle, so no offset of the derailleur top pivot was needed when the "traditional" derailleur tab position was standardized.

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by ultraman6970

This sucks, my most modern bike is even more obsolete now

Maybe not. Many modern frames (particularly carbon and aluminum ones) have replaceable hangers. It's not infeasible to design a replacement hanger to be compatible with direct mount derailleur.

[pobrien]

I appreciate the clarification from Mark and PK.
Thank you.