30 for 30 Lance part 2. Any changes?

[veloduffer]

I’ve no sympathy for Lance but the hypocrisy in big business sports annoys the heck out of me. Lance was correct how some are treated as pariahs and others forgiven. And stripping the titles away was necessary but didn’t go far enough. The most blatant example is Barney Riis, who had nothing in his palmares and then comes in 3rd and the following year wins the TdF ahead of Indurain. He admits taking EPO and keeps his title.


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[goonster]

Originally Posted by Waldo62

Yeah, that show of "love" for Jan was hilarious and oh so genuine.

I think it's genuine, but mostly projected self-pity.

That said, as far as I can tell Jan is in a really, really bad way. I saw a German interview from about a year ago, conducted in a rehab clinic, that was really shocking.

[Waldo62]

Originally Posted by goonster

I think it's genuine, but mostly projected self-pity.

That said, as far as I can tell Jan is in a really, really bad way. I saw a German interview from about a year ago, conducted in a rehab clinic, that was really shocking.

A system that took a fragile pre-teen from his family, put him in a cutthroat environment, then thrust him in limelight brighter than someone with limited social/coping skills could ever bear. Not surprising. See how many former American collegiate and pro athletes end up in the criminal system.

[bikinchris]

Originally Posted by veloduffer

I’ve no sympathy for Lance but the hypocrisy in big business sports annoys the heck out of me. Lance was correct how some are treated as pariahs and others forgiven. And stripping the titles away was necessary but didn’t go far enough. The most blatant example is Barney Riis, who had nothing in his palmares and then comes in 3rd and the following year wins the TdF ahead of Indurain. He admits taking EPO and keeps his title.


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The ONLY people who had a Tour win erased were Americans. Even though it is obvious that all of the riders who raced over the last several decades cheated.

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by bikinchris

The ONLY people who had a Tour win erased were Americans.

Alberto Contador

[Alaska Mike]

Originally Posted by veloduffer

The most blatant example is Barney Riis, who had nothing in his palmares and then comes in 3rd and the following year wins the TdF ahead of Indurain. He admits taking EPO and keeps his title.

Actually, ASO and the UCI asked for Bjarne to return his jersey, but had limited legal recourse. Riis offered to return it, but I don’t know where that went.
https://www.espn.com/olympics/cyclin...ory?id=2882380
Riis and similar types shouldn’t have a place in cycling, but you’ll never root them all out.

[weisan]

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[Alaska Mike]

Fair enough. Merckx did make the introduction to Ferrari for Lance (and Axel). He knew the deal and perpetuated the arms race.

Still, I have a signed picture of him next to my trainer.

Cycling is such a complex sport.

[dannymd]

No changes

[bikinchris]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Alberto Contador

I stand corrected.

[fiamme red]

Originally Posted by goonster

I think it's genuine, but mostly projected self-pity.

That said, as far as I can tell Jan is in a really, really bad way. I saw a German interview from about a year ago, conducted in a rehab clinic, that was really shocking.

His feelings for Jan seemed genuine to me too. I remember he said something about his and Jan's situations today being very similar. The interviewer should have followed up on that remark.

I don't know what Lance means when he says that wouldn't change a thing about his life. Surely in retrospect he regrets his comeback, at least?

[rain dogs]

Originally Posted by bikinchris

I stand corrected.

Juan Jose Cobo (Spanish) as well - 2011 Vuelta which they hilariously gave to Froome while he/Sky were throwing the threat of millions in legal defense at the UCI for HIS adverse analytical finding.

[LouDeeter]

For seven years, I got a great deal of enjoyment watching Lance compete, and win. I have a great deal of respect for how he competed in a tough sport. The TV program told the story. I enjoyed watching it. Did it change my opinion of him, no. His personal character is what it is. Many people at the top of their field are not that far distant from him in that regard.

[Pegoready]

I thought it was fascinating that the only time he showed any true emotion was talking about Jan Ullrich. I had no idea he felt so close to him. I'd love to delve more into that relationship.

He had a lot of pals it seems- George, various Austin characters, celebs, Frankie, his first wife Kristin, but he always appeared like he could take or leave them at any moment being the harsh person he is. What made Jan so special?

[KJMUNC]

The two most interesting comments for me in this episode were:

1: about talking to his son if he came to him about using PEDs: he basically said he would tell him it’s a bad idea....unless he was in the NFL, which he said would be a diff story. That tells me he still has no problem with it.

2: his animosity towards Floyd, who didn’t lie, cheat, or steal from LA....he just lured him for the person he is. He’s mad he broke the “bro-code” of doping.

These points tell me exactly what kind of person he still is. I enjoyed watching him race but he is a crummy person, and that’s putting it nicely.