Shimano pin in KMC chain?

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Shin Getter

You sure about that?

yes...but your chain, do what ya want.

[Joachim]

Everyone know that the OP already used the pin....right? See the first post.

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[kittytrail]

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[palincss]

Is there something special and unique about the design of a Shimano chain that makes it suitable to join it with a Shimano replacement breakaway pin?

That's a question. I've used plenty of Shimano chains in the past 20 years, but I found using the Shimano pin such a huge pain in the a$$ I only did it once or twice, eventually switching to using a Wippermann quick link with the last Shimano chain.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by palincss

Is there something special and unique about the design of a Shimano chain that makes it suitable to join it with a Shimano replacement breakaway pin?

That's a question. I've used plenty of Shimano chains in the past 20 years, but I found using the Shimano pin such a huge pain in the a$$ I only did it once or twice, eventually switching to using a Wippermann quick link with the last Shimano chain.

Outer plates are hardened to take a pin, once. Bad idea to push out installed pin and push another new one in. = broken chain.

[Louis]

IMO the reliability, convenience and ease of use of quick-links make pins obsolete.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Louis

IMO the reliability, convenience and ease of use of quick-links make pins obsolete.

Agree. Why the 2 big boys, one who makes their own chains, can't be confident in a quick link when even low digit spam can do it, is beyond me.

[kramnnim]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Outer plates are hardened to take a pin, once. Bad idea to push out installed pin and push another new one in. = broken chain.

I think he is asking why it's okay to use the pins on Shimano chains, but not with other brand chains.

If not...well, I'd like to know.

I had a Wipperman quick link break, so it's not like they are invincible...

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by kramnnim

I think he is asking why it's okay to use the pins on Shimano chains, but not with other brand chains.

If not...well, I'd like to know.

I had a Wipperman quick link break, so it's not like they are invincible...

Because the outer plates are hardened and designed that way. Other chains are not.

[palincss]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Outer plates are hardened to take a pin, once. Bad idea to push out installed pin and push another new one in. = broken chain.

Isn't that how Shimano expects you to rejoin their chains? Or is that pin intended only for initial installation?

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by palincss

Isn't that how Shimano expects you to rejoin their chains? Or is that pin intended only for initial installation?

Yes, but only once thru an outer plate..they do not recommend pushing out a previously installed pin, and then pushing a new pin in that set of outer plates.

2 installed pins in one chain is no big deal..3 max I think they recommend but a snap link is the best, IMHO.

[Ken Robb]

I think my Shimano chains all came with 2 pins. I don't know if that is because they expected the chain to be broken at least twice in its life or they knew that most amateurs like me will screw up the first install and need to try again right away.

[11.4]

Originally Posted by Ken Robb

I think my Shimano chains all came with 2 pins. I don't know if that is because they expected the chain to be broken at least twice in its life or they knew that most amateurs like me will screw up the first install and need to try again right away.

Yeah.

And the diameter of the pins on different chains is different. So are the holes in the side plates. Shimano pins, if I remember right, are a few thousands thinner than Campy pins. An engineer at KMC, who has made chains for practically everybody, says it's why you absolutely never want to be in a jam and splice two different chains from two different manufacturers together.

[Raffy]

Good thing I stumbled across this thread. I snapped a KMC missing link on the road 3 weeks ago and my buddy repaired it with a spare SRAM link (regular link, not a quick link). Been riding it thinking it was ok until today. Bought a KMC quick link, Park chain breaker and all is good once again.

[bjf]

I've had KMC quick links on a Shimano chain for years now; I have changed the quick links a few times along the way, when they get too easy to take apart. But I find it much better than trying to use the Shimano pins.

I so miss the days when you just pushed the pin out half way, took the chain off and cleaned it in kerosene, and then put it back on the bike and pushed the pin back in.