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Old 02-14-2019, 12:35 PM
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>>Serotta was kind of the gold standard. And its gravitational pull brought many into the bespoke orbit. Without Serotta and this forum, most of the people I know on custom bikes would be riding Giants. But that was pre-Instagram and pre-Radavist.


Things go much farther back, Bruce Gordon, Eisenstruat (sp), Weigle, Sach's of course, probably back in the 70's and 80's was more regionalized, then the "children" started (in MA Chris Chance the daddy) and IF, Seven, Firefly, etc.
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:40 PM
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my takeaway here is - i should be buying houses for each of my new framesets.

this would solve my NYC apartment + bike problem.
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Old 02-14-2019, 01:43 PM
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Is The Radavist that popular?
I think he's a major force in the ecosystem of cool

Peter Sagan 1.4M Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/petosagan/

Specialized 982K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/iamspecialized/

Chris Froom 911K Instagram Followers
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Team Sky 744K Instagram Followers
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Alberto Contador 652K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/acontadoroficial/

Rapha 417K Instagram Followers
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Sir Brad Wiggins 347K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/bradwiggins/

Lance Armstrong 264K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/lancearmstrong/

The Radavist 167K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/theradavist/

MASH San Francisco 123K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/mashsf/

Red Hook Crit 120K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/redhookcrit/

Ultra Romance 95.6K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/ultraromance/

The Vanilla Workshop 90.3K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/thevanillaworkshop/

Firefly 61.7K Instagram Followers
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Julia Favero 60.6K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/franceantarctique/

donalrey from the internet 59.3K Followers
https://www.instagram.com/donalrey/

Ten Speed Hero 52K Instagram Followers
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Retired Pro Phil Gaimon 47K Instagram Followers
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Liisa Kiddo 45.4K Instagram Followers
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Squid Bikes 38.3K Instagram Followers
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Rivendell 32.3K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/rivbike/

Cory Williams 28.7K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/nationsnumber1beast/

Sklar Bikes 27K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/sklarbikes/

The Vegan Cyclist 25.8K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/the_vegan_cyclist/

Richard Sachs 22.8K Instagram Followers
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Outside Is Fred 19.8K Instagram Followers
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Bicyclepubes 13.9K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/bicyclepubes/

Durianrider 300 Million Views on youtube 3679 Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/durianriders/

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Old 02-14-2019, 02:18 PM
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Looked at your website, had to click a bit to see any pictures, not good, show your wears....
Thanks for that feedback. I'll add more to the site.
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:46 PM
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Excluding the coasts and Texas, I was thinking that many parts of the country still have low housing costs. Say an $800 month mortgage.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...76_rect/10_zm/

As for klunker, I wasn't referring to the historical type but the bikes that Ultra Romance rides which get a ton of attention on the Radavist.

https://velo-orange.com/pages/piolet...th-27-5-wheels

My friend's bike was about 7 grand.
$7K for the frame, or the whole bike? The only builders I’m aware of charging $7K+ for a frame only are all well established—Vanilla, Parlee, Baum, Passoni, etc. If it’s for the whole bike, parts are parts, and could be hung on a stock frame, custom frame from an established builder, new builder, etc. The question is, how much of the $7K was for the frame, and how much for the parts? What material was the frame? Was the fork made by the builder, or aftermarket? The cost of the frame may have been quite reasonable given the level of experience of the builder.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:18 PM
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What kind of frame costs a year of house payments?
You should see my house payments. Lot of guys riding stuff costing more than my mortgage. The other side of that coin are the payments for lumber and professional help.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:44 PM
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$7K for the frame, or the whole bike? The only builders I’m aware of charging $7K+ for a frame only are all well established—Vanilla, Parlee, Baum, Passoni, etc. If it’s for the whole bike, parts are parts, and could be hung on a stock frame, custom frame from an established builder, new builder, etc. The question is, how much of the $7K was for the frame, and how much for the parts? What material was the frame? Was the fork made by the builder, or aftermarket? The cost of the frame may have been quite reasonable given the level of experience of the builder.
Beach cruiser type frame was only 3K.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:23 PM
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You're asking are people rational about their bike stuff, on a website devoted to bikes, which originally was started by a company whose bikes occasionally hit low 5 figures, and where people get into vein-popping online pissing matches about gravel bikes, bike parts, bike clothing, bike racers and bike whatever.

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Old 02-14-2019, 09:38 PM
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Red Hook Crit has basically admitted they don't generate enough cash flow to cover their costs, and they are right behind the Radavist on instagram.

Are these numbers translatable into cash? How much income does each generate from the platforms listed?

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I think he's a major force in the ecosystem of cool

Peter Sagan 1.4M Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/petosagan/

Specialized 982K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/iamspecialized/

Chris Froom 911K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/chrisfroome/

Team Sky 744K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/teamsky/

Alberto Contador 652K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/acontadoroficial/

Rapha 417K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/rapha/

Sir Brad Wiggins 347K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/bradwiggins/

Lance Armstrong 264K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/lancearmstrong/

The Radavist 167K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/theradavist/

MASH San Francisco 123K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/mashsf/

Red Hook Crit 120K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/redhookcrit/

Ultra Romance 95.6K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/ultraromance/

The Vanilla Workshop 90.3K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/thevanillaworkshop/

Firefly 61.7K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/fireflybicycles/

Julia Favero 60.6K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/franceantarctique/

donalrey from the internet 59.3K Followers
https://www.instagram.com/donalrey/

Ten Speed Hero 52K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/tenspeedhero/

Retired Pro Phil Gaimon 47K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/philgaimon/

Liisa Kiddo 45.4K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/liisakiddo/

Squid Bikes 38.3K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/squidbikes/

Rivendell 32.3K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/rivbike/

Cory Williams 28.7K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/nationsnumber1beast/

Sklar Bikes 27K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/sklarbikes/

The Vegan Cyclist 25.8K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/the_vegan_cyclist/

Richard Sachs 22.8K Instagram Followers
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Outside Is Fred 19.8K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/outsideisfred/

Bicyclepubes 13.9K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/bicyclepubes/

Durianrider 300 Million Views on youtube 3679 Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/durianriders/

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Old 02-14-2019, 09:42 PM
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Red Hook Crit has basically admitted they don't generate enough cash flow to cover their costs, and they are right behind the Radavist on instagram.

Are these numbers translatable into cash? How much income does each generate from the platforms listed?
Im not sure income is relevant. If anyone on that list comes out and says XX Builders frames are trash many thousands of people will see that and disseminate that information.

On the flip if a small builder catches one of these peoples eye then all of the sudden theyre in the spotlight.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:44 PM
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also on that list, ultraromance is, wait for it, a Riv dealer.

Someone in a long email thread was citing his number of followers as an indicator of influence, and it took me a couple of weeks of discussion for me to realize I'm one of the 100k ultraromantic followers. So I don't take that number as meaning he has much influence.
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Old 02-14-2019, 10:09 PM
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I think he's a major force in the ecosystem of cool

Peter Sagan 1.4M Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/petosagan/

Specialized 982K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/iamspecialized/

Chris Froom 911K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/chrisfroome/

Team Sky 744K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/teamsky/

Alberto Contador 652K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/acontadoroficial/

Rapha 417K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/rapha/

Sir Brad Wiggins 347K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/bradwiggins/

Lance Armstrong 264K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/lancearmstrong/

The Radavist 167K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/theradavist/

MASH San Francisco 123K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/mashsf/

Red Hook Crit 120K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/redhookcrit/

Ultra Romance 95.6K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/ultraromance/

The Vanilla Workshop 90.3K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/thevanillaworkshop/

Firefly 61.7K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/fireflybicycles/

Julia Favero 60.6K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/franceantarctique/

donalrey from the internet 59.3K Followers
https://www.instagram.com/donalrey/

Ten Speed Hero 52K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/tenspeedhero/

Retired Pro Phil Gaimon 47K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/philgaimon/

Liisa Kiddo 45.4K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/liisakiddo/

Squid Bikes 38.3K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/squidbikes/

Rivendell 32.3K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/rivbike/

Cory Williams 28.7K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/nationsnumber1beast/

Sklar Bikes 27K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/sklarbikes/

The Vegan Cyclist 25.8K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/the_vegan_cyclist/

Richard Sachs 22.8K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/therichardsachs/

Outside Is Fred 19.8K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/outsideisfred/

Bicyclepubes 13.9K Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/bicyclepubes/

Durianrider 300 Million Views on youtube 3679 Instagram Followers
https://www.instagram.com/durianriders/

ns/baw (not scientific/bored at work)

no Puck Moonen

puckmoonen 316K Instagram Followers
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Old 02-14-2019, 10:12 PM
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You're asking are people rational about their bike stuff, on a website devoted to bikes, which originally was started by a company whose bikes occasionally hit low 5 figures, and where people get into vein-popping online pissing matches about gravel bikes, bike parts, bike clothing, bike racers and bike whatever.
If I'm not mistaken, this forum was originally a subforum on a bigger cycling forum (or phorum) run by Kahuna, with subforums for various builders. The two subforums that generated the most traffic were Calfee and Serottta. After a few years, Serotta took over its subforum and spun it off. There is some interesting history/backstory here:

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=256
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Old 02-14-2019, 10:43 PM
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For those of us that would need $100,000+ for a housing down payment AND will be renting for the next 10 years, what are some good up and coming frame builders to send our money too?
No need for up and coming.

Mike DeSalvo
Steve Rex
ROLAND DELLA SANTA

With just those 3 you're on the cusp of 100 years cumulative experience. And you could own all 3 for about 3-4 month's house payments, assuming $2k/mo.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:29 PM
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no Puck Moonen

puckmoonen 316K Instagram Followers
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She should have 3.16M followers.
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