Know the rules The Paceline Forum Builder's Spotlight


Go Back   The Paceline Forum > General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-01-2024, 11:37 PM
mstateglfr's Avatar
mstateglfr mstateglfr is offline
Sunshine
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Des Moines IA
Posts: 1,991
Coming soon to bikes near you- double hooked rims!

https://bikerumor.com/dandy-horse-double-hook-rim/

Marketing speak misnomer, at least from what I can tell. It's really just a rim that is fluted out a bit for more material to reduce pinch flatting...on tubeless.

Revolutionary?
Gimmick?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-02-2024, 12:03 AM
dgauthier dgauthier is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,591
Another solution in search of a problem?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-02-2024, 12:36 AM
Louis Louis is offline
Boeuf Chaîne
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: St. Louis MO
Posts: 25,844
Too bad they don't show any data indicating that the "double hooked" is any better than the alternatives when it comes to preventing pinch flats, something that would be relatively simple to show in a lab test.

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-02-2024, 07:16 AM
oldpotatoe's Avatar
oldpotatoe oldpotatoe is offline
Proud Grandpa
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Republic of Boulder, USA
Posts: 47,494
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgauthier View Post
Another solution in search of a problem?
No kidding..Hooked, then hookless, now 'double hook'...what's next? 'Hookah'?

Gotta be to come up with some of this stuff..
__________________
Chisholm's Custom Wheels
Qui Si Parla Campagnolo
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-02-2024, 07:22 AM
NHAero NHAero is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 10,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldpotatoe View Post
No kidding..Hooked, then hookless, now 'double hook'...what's next? 'Hookah'?

Gotta be to come up with some of this stuff..
Hooklineandsinka
__________________
Bingham/B.Jackson/Unicoi/Habanero/Raleigh20/429C/BigDummy/S6
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-02-2024, 08:24 AM
biker72's Avatar
biker72 biker72 is offline
Older Than You
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Dallas TX Suburb.
Posts: 2,466
Just another way to sell more wheels.
__________________
Contains Titanium
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-02-2024, 09:23 AM
Likes2ridefar Likes2ridefar is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 7,454
zipp mtb wheels look similar in design though hookless. I really like mine. 30mm internal and weigh less than my 25mm fulcrum carbon gravel wheels.

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-02-2024, 09:37 AM
Mark McM Mark McM is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 12,659
Enve MTB rims also feature a "mushroomed" bead edge for pinch flat resistance:




The "double hooked" rims feature an internal "hook" as well.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-02-2024, 09:50 AM
saab2000's Avatar
saab2000 saab2000 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 10,821
The labeling is odd, but whatevs.

As to wider rims, they’re coming and they’re gonna get crazy wide I think. Zipp’s new XPLR line is, what, 32mm internal? Or was it 35? I think 30+ will become standard in a couple years, at least for gravel wheels.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-02-2024, 10:07 AM
MikeD MikeD is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,121
Quote:
Originally Posted by Likes2ridefar View Post
zipp mtb wheels look similar in design though hookless. I really like mine. 30mm internal and weigh less than my 25mm fulcrum carbon gravel wheels.

So they can't form the hook on the inside but can on the outside?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-02-2024, 10:10 AM
Blown Reek Blown Reek is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,725
I welcome anything that makes installation more difficult.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-02-2024, 10:16 AM
username username is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Posts: 543
F@#k Everything, We're Doing Five Hooks
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-02-2024, 10:38 AM
Mark McM Mark McM is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 12,659
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD View Post
So they can't form the hook on the inside but can on the outside?
Basically, yes. Carbon rims are formed in molds, and it is difficult to form undercut internal shapes with a rigid mold. After the rim has been baked and set, how do you pull the mold out from the inside the rim sidewalls with the internal hooks in the way?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-02-2024, 10:50 AM
MikeD MikeD is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,121
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark McM View Post
Basically, yes. Carbon rims are formed in molds, and it is difficult to form undercut internal shapes with a rigid mold. After the rim has been baked and set, how do you pull the mold out from the inside the rim sidewalls with the internal hooks in the way?
I have no idea since I've not seen the molds/fabrication process.

I would think this would be useless on a road bike. I can remember only one pinch flat in 40 years of riding and it looks like only marginal improvement in pinch flat resistance anyway as compared to foam inserts.

Last edited by MikeD; 11-02-2024 at 11:02 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-02-2024, 12:06 PM
johnniecakes's Avatar
johnniecakes johnniecakes is offline
Pack fill
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 1,648
How to prevent a pinch flat is simple. Inflate with enough air pressure. When the side wall completely collapses you get a pinch flat. Solution is to use enough air to support this collapse. Hooked or hookless is irrelevant.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.