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10-10-2019, 11:23 AM
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10-10-2019, 11:37 AM
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10-10-2019, 01:50 PM
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10-10-2019, 03:00 PM
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Interesting to see how this plays out ... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp
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#186
10-10-2019, 04:13 PM
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It can be both wild and embarrassing. It's wild because it's such a crazy story with so many angles. I bet Adam Silver wishes for the days when Magic Johnson's tampering Twitter account was his biggest problem. It's also embarrassing, because as much as you'll see pro-NBA outlets like ESPN (and make no mistake, ESPN/Disney is just as much in China's pocket as anyone) try to say this is some sort of really complicated issue, it's actually really simple. Steve Kerr may want to talk to his Chinese History Prof. brother before he makes a comment, and Joseph Tsai might tell us that we all need a course on the history of the Qing Dynasty, the Opium Wars, the Taipeng Rebellion before we comment on Chinese governmental action, but that's all overcomplicating it. This isn't a history issue, it's a free speech issue. The NBA chose dollars over Daryl Morey's ability to speak his mind. We can be disappointed, but I don't think we should be surprised, even if the NBA is the "woke" league.
There are a couple knock-on effects that I think are interesting: 1) Part of the rationale for building markets with Communist China was the idea that capitalism would beget democracy. In China, autocratic capitalism seem to have simply begat more power for authoritarians. 2) Is the NBA the "woke" league? Or is the Trayvon Martin, Popovich/Kerr 2020, NC Bathroom Bill, Silver on a Pride float stuff just a nice marketing tool. I don't doubt for a second that LeBron, Pop, Kerr sincerely hold their beliefs. I just wonder how much league pushback they would have seen if their fan base was more demographically aligned with, say, the no-kneelin'-durin'-my-anthem types that follow the NFL.
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#188
10-10-2019, 06:19 PM
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[QUOTE=Jaybee;2605156]It can be both wild and embarrassing. It's wild because it's such a crazy story with so many angles. I bet Adam Silver wishes for the days when Magic Johnson's tampering Twitter account was his biggest problem. It's also embarrassing, because as much as you'll see pro-NBA outlets like ESPN (and make no mistake, ESPN/Disney is just as much in China's pocket as anyone) try to say this is some sort of really complicated issue, it's actually really simple. Steve Kerr may want to talk to his Chinese History Prof. brother before he makes a comment, and Joseph Tsai might tell us that we all need a course on the history of the Qing Dynasty, the Opium Wars, the Taipeng Rebellion before we comment on Chinese governmental action, but that's all overcomplicating it. This isn't a history issue, it's a free speech issue. The NBA chose dollars over Daryl Morey's ability to speak his mind. We can be disappointed, but I don't think we should be surprised, even if the NBA is the "woke" league.
There are a couple knock-on effects that I think are interesting: 1) Part of the rationale for building markets with Communist China was the idea that capitalism would beget democracy. In China, autocratic capitalism seem to have simply begat more power for authoritarians. 2) Is the NBA the "woke" league? Or is the Trayvon Martin, Popovich/Kerr 2020, NC Bathroom Bill, Silver on a Pride float stuff just a nice marketing tool. I don't doubt for a second that LeBron, Pop, Kerr sincerely hold their beliefs. I just wonder how much league pushback they would have seen if their fan base was more demographically aligned with, say, the no-kneelin'-durin'-my-anthem types that follow the NFL.[/QUOTE] Good question. When there's $$$$ at stake, the equation changes. I'm sure the entire NBA wishes this controversy would go away, but when the issue is such a convenient football for so many people, that seems highly unlikely. Is there another Enes Kanter in the league?
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#190
10-10-2019, 07:11 PM
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Actual fans are ancillary to the whole equation.
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#191
10-11-2019, 11:04 AM
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 Just me, or are the Pacers sneaky good this year? Dipo, Brogdon, Turner, Sabonis, Warren is a pretty nice 5 with a ton of shooting. Not a lot of weak spots there. Holiday + Lamb are legit rotation players. I like them for solidly over the 46.5 wins they are currently booked at.
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#192
10-11-2019, 11:29 AM
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And who knows what Oladipo will look like after that nasty injury last year. Does he lose a step? I dunno if this is the year they finally beat South Bend Central.
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#193
10-14-2019, 03:32 PM
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catching up from the weekend...
 Is this the year that things finally catch up to the Spurs? 538 has them at 39 wins, 12th in the West, but until proven otherwise don't we have to assume that Pop will have them midranging and playing solid D and hanging around the 8 seed in March. Also worth noting that the 538 rating system is kinda undervaluing Dejounte Murray, since he didn't play at all last year. The Spurs are publicly very high on him, and they are rarely public about anything.
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#194
10-14-2019, 03:36 PM
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 We've had a little bit of talk about how good the Raps are going to be this year. I think the general consensus is that they aren't repeating, but they have a chance to be anywhere from 3rd to 6th in the East. Lowry's extension was, um, interesting. Kinda figured they'd wait on that.
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#195
10-14-2019, 03:40 PM
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 Goddamn, I am so excited to watch the Kings this year (no sarcasm). Fox alone is worth the price of admission, and when you have Bogdan, Bagley, Giles, Hield. I think they get to 45-43 wins, maybe the 8 seed.
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