Installing a mechanical group onto electronic frame FINAL RESULT - Page 3

KarlC · #31 08-12-2019, 12:10 PM

I have a Campy Record EPS V3 that I may be selling soon, if you want to try it Jeff or any one else.

Thx Karl

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Clean39T · #32 08-12-2019, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by denapista

I'm a mechanical guy and had a bike built with DA9150. It was simply amazing.. There really isn't a reason to fear electronic shifting. Just buy a charger and make sure to charge your bike up when it's needed.

With Shimano DA9150, a single charge will almost last you 6 months of riding. I think I only charged my 9150 group once or twice.

My only gripe with Shimano electronic shifting, was the lack of "Tactile" feel from the shifting itself. All more the reason I want to try Campy EPS..

If you bought an electronic specific frame, run electronic group. If not, sell it and buy the mechanical version.. Etap is a game changer, because it allows the use of electronic shifting on mechanical specific frames.

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Jeff, just go rent a bike with 9150 and see what you think.. I've been skeptical in the past too, but I'm really impressed by the latest Di2 stuff and plan to put GRX Di2 on my gravel rig soon as it's available. I may even go to R8070 on my Allied at some point. Maybe Holland has one you can tool around on, or Summer Cycles.

Dave · #33 08-12-2019, 03:09 PM

I wouldn't invest in new 11 speed electronic, with 12 speed here. Just looking at the new sram force axs 12. I bought two chorus 12 groups for less than the force group price.

Jeff N. · #34 08-13-2019, 08:58 AM

Unrealized/undiscovered/unknown to me until just now, this Canyon frame has a 1.25" (1 1/4") steerer tube at the top (1.50" at bottom). I'm told GIANT is the only other maker who specs this size steerer on their bikes. Spacers/Stems/Bearing Caps/Expander plugs are rather limited in this size, I'm also finding out, so I'll have to wait until I get these items ordered/delivered/installed before I can go any further with this project. It does, however, look like full length derailleur cable housing will pass through all holes/openings OK, with a little finessing...but the build will have to wait.

Pinned · #35 08-13-2019, 09:51 AM

Canyon offers an integrated bar/stem that will fit the bike, of course. It's actually one of the more comfortable bars I've ever ridden and I'd opt to go with one if I were riding a Canyon - I think it's a big part of what makes the Ultimate a relatively comfortable bike.

Jeff N. · #36 08-13-2019, 10:08 AM

I will consider it for sure. Derailleur cable housing, as can be seen, easily clears the front hole...and all the others as well.

Pegoready · #37 08-13-2019, 10:15 AM

Hate to be a naysayer but this bike is going to be noisy and shift like junk. A bunch of weight added to a lightweight package with all the housing. Why go through all the trouble just to avoid e shifting?

R3awak3n · #38 08-13-2019, 10:22 AM

maybe a non issue but with all that tight cable on that whole that was not made to have stiff cables moving on it could be an issue.

tv_vt · #39 08-13-2019, 10:25 AM

Jeez, electronic shifting is totally fine. Just get an Ultegra group and give it a try. I'm a luddite, too, but after trying Di2, I quit worrying about it and enjoyed it. Like you, bought a bike built only for electronic shifting. Still have it, too.

denapista · #40 08-13-2019, 10:35 AM

Extralite now makes a stem to fit the Canyon/Giant forks..

I'm curious to how you're going to rid that bike of internal cable rattle, without the proper internal liners, etc..

Jeff N. · #41 08-13-2019, 10:38 AM

My PARLEE Z5i was designed to accept either electronic shifting or mechanical, all internal. As can be seen, I have equipped it with Ultegra 8000. It has full-length derailleir (and rear brake) cable housing running through the entire length of the frame, as needed/designed. There is absolutely ZERO shifting/noise issues. From my thinking, weight gain, if any, is negligible at worst, a non-entity at best.

Jeff N. · #42 08-13-2019, 10:39 AM

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jtbadge · #43 08-13-2019, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff N.

My PARLEE Z5i was designed to accept either electronic shifting or mechanical. As can be seen, I have equipped it with Ultegra 8000. It has full-length derailleir cable housing running through the entire length of the frame, as needed/designed. There is absolutely ZERO shifting/noise issues. From my thinking, weight gain, if any, is negligible at worst, a non-entity at best.

You said it all right there.

All you have on this other frame are some holes. The Parlee has reinforcement around the openings, likely some provision to guide the cable in/out of the frame, and keep the housings from rattling.

Jeff N. · #44 08-13-2019, 10:48 AM

A hole is a hole. Nope, no provision at all with respect to rattling/guiding/cushioning or whatever. Other than the pictured plastic grommet where the housing enters, there is no difference. I know this from doing the installation. Welp...looks like I'm going where no man has gone before.

R3awak3n · #45 08-13-2019, 11:14 AM

not necessarily true. Carbon frames are reinforced in specific locations so on a fork that has internal routing they know the cable is going to push on the whole so its reinforced. Don't get me wrong, this might be totally fine but also might not and could be pretty thin and cables pushing and pulling could crack. Maybe not