OT: VW cheating emissions on TDI vehicles

[christian]

Originally Posted by goonster

Oh, c'mon. This is hardly the time for a Godwin's Law violation.

I rode in a ThyssenKrupp elevator today. Not one made with slave labor though.

[p nut]

Originally Posted by grawk

The VAST majority of cars on the road pollute more than a TDI.... If you're driving an electric car in an area fed with hydro power, or a VERY few other cars, you have room to criticize, otherwise, not so much.

Do you have any references supporting this? Everything I'm finding says the opposite.

[goonster]

Originally Posted by akelman

I don't think it's a Godwin violation if the people in question actually collaborated with the Nazis.

The people you are referring to were rabid, mass-murdering Nazis, but since they did not manage the engine control software of today's VW TDI's it has nothing to do with this.

[akelman]

Originally Posted by goonster

The people you are referring to were rabid, mass-murdering Nazis, but since they did not manage the engine control software of today's VW TDI's it has nothing to do with this.

Oh, dude, you were serious? In that case, consider my entirely accurate statement retracted. If I want to fight about history, I've got plenty of opportunities at the office.

[akelman]

Also, I bought the car, so I obviously don't consider the current management at VW culpable for the corporation's past crimes. I really was just kidding around. I promise!

[goonster]

Originally Posted by Louis

Since I'm not involved with this particular argument I can post these

Now, all the Porsche owners will feel bad . . .

[Louis]

Originally Posted by goonster

Now, all the Porsche owners will feel bad . . .

They can take some aspirin - as long as they don't choose Bayer...

[goonster]

Originally Posted by Louis

They can take some aspirin - as long as they don't choose Bayer...

Well played.

[echappist]

Originally Posted by Louis

They can take some aspirin - as long as they don't choose Bayer...

Originally Posted by goonster

Well played.

+1. beat me to it. Though with all the headaches here, i won't blame the owners if they decide to go chase after elusive dragon (aka heroin, also made by Bayer). In case people are wondering, Bayer was part of IG Farben of the Zyklon infamy (Farben is German for "dye" as a few of the constituent companies started by making dye material). ThyssenKrupp, as previously mentioned, was another conglomerate that saw significant expansion during WW-II and subsequent division afterwards.

to bring this onto a lighter note, i've been following Bundesliga quite a bit lately after having given up on the gladiatorial sport known as American Football. I guess this makes it all the easier not to like VfL Wolfsburg.

I guess this also make the choice for my next car a lot easier. Previously i had thought about possibly getting a CPO VW SW for my next car, but after this episode, the decision is a lot easier to make. Though truth be told, the VW never stood much of a chance as their CPO policy is rather stingy. It's gonna be a Volvo V60 all the way from hereon out.

[Louis]

The thing is, during WW2 entire economies were converted over to supporting the war effort and killing of all types, whether it be bullets, poison gas, or A-bombs. The issue of collective guilt is an interesting question that we won't solve on this thread or elsewhere, but obviously the vast majority of Americans (and the rest of the world) don't have any problems buying German or Japanese products.

Heck, all the "Made in China" stuff we buy today by the ship-load isn't guilt free either, nor are the sweatshops in Bangladesh or Vietnam or wherever. The last few pairs of shoes and boots I've bought were all Made in USA, and believe me, they were way more expensive than some of the alternatives. I can't criticize someone who's decided that they don't want to pay $350 for a pair of Danner Mountain Lights...

[Scuzzer]

Originally Posted by Louis

I can't criticize someone who's decided that they don't want to pay $350 for a pair of Danner Mountain Lights...

Ouch, my Mtn Lights were only $120, but I bought them in 1984. Used them last month for a trip up to the cabin so for longevity alone I think they're worth the expense.

Oh wait, this is the VW thread. Nevermind.

[palincss]

Originally Posted by echappist

It's gonna be a Volvo V60 all the way from hereon out.

Except that it's too small inside to fit a bicycle with fenders & both wheels on.

[ergott]

I really want diesel to work. I'm just so board of driving little 4-banger gas engines. They need to be revved up to 4k plus for any sort of power. The best part of diesel is all the power is in the low range where you normally keep the engine revs.

Here's to a solution that keeps me happy with the car!

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

The way this will end, and end quickly, VW admits very little to no wrong doing (spin). Catalyzer (or whatever it's called) will be warranted forever, warranty transferable and they'll settle for about half on the fines that would be possibly levied. Imho.

[MattTuck]

This seems to be a quickly escalating story. Calls for investigations in Europe and South Korea.

VW stock is way down, default risk way up.