Know the rules The Paceline Forum Builder's Spotlight


Go Back   The Paceline Forum > Builder Spotlights

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #2176  
Old 12-30-2022, 10:50 AM
David Kirk's Avatar
David Kirk David Kirk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bozeman MT
Posts: 8,380
Quote:
Originally Posted by roguedog View Post
Curious Dave.. I see many of the bikes on here in larger sizes and rarely see smaller sizes. Do your customers skew more towards the larger/taller end of the spectrum as opposed to "industry norm" bell curve or does it also follow the bell curve?

My real question is.. how likely I might find one of your smaller bikes (46 or 48ish st x 50/51 tt) out there in the wild for sale

Still feeling the sting of missing that one small one that was posted in the deals thread.
I'm so sorry for such a late reply. I somehow didn't see your message/question. I apologize.

I think my builds probably pretty much follow the size bell curve with lots of mid sized bikes and fewer on the smaller or larger end of things. I don't build all that many in the size range you have in mind so the chance of coming across a used one, while not impossible, is not very good.

At the risk of sounding like a high pressure sales guy - I think the only way to be sure you can get one is to have me build one just for you. Not only can we make it fit just right but we can take care of all the little details that really make the frame just right for you.

I wish I could point you toward someone selling a bike in your size but I don't know of anyone wanting to give theirs up. If I can help in any other way please let me know.

dave
Reply With Quote
  #2177  
Old 12-30-2022, 10:53 AM
David Kirk's Avatar
David Kirk David Kirk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bozeman MT
Posts: 8,380
It's the final Friday or 2022 so a good time for some #filletfriday action. Here's some stainless tubes hooked up with silver fillets from this past year.

I look forward to 2023 and making more....and celebrating my 20th year in business. That frankly seems impossible but here we are!

dave
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSC_2792.jpg (65.9 KB, 464 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_2810.jpg (137.2 KB, 467 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_3319.jpg (42.5 KB, 464 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_3381.jpg (36.2 KB, 462 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_3368.jpg (33.2 KB, 466 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2178  
Old 12-30-2022, 11:37 AM
PaMtbRider PaMtbRider is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: York, Pa.
Posts: 2,375
Any plans you would like to share for a 20th anniversary edition?
Reply With Quote
  #2179  
Old 12-30-2022, 12:31 PM
David Kirk's Avatar
David Kirk David Kirk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bozeman MT
Posts: 8,380
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaMtbRider View Post
Any plans you would like to share for a 20th anniversary edition?
Thank you for the question.

I frankly don't know how to address it...I have some ideas on what I'd like to offer but my lead time right now is about 10 months or so...and that means that I'd be hard pressed to build and deliver many/any 20th Anniversary bikes in 2023.

And that feels odd. I'd be interested in hearing how you feel about it.

dave
Reply With Quote
  #2180  
Old 12-30-2022, 12:36 PM
monkeybanana86 monkeybanana86 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,108
I think an anniversary bike would be cool no matter when it gets completed. I build effects pedals for guitar and heck I kept number ten just because I would be thrilled to still be making them in twenty years...

We need a like function for posts! LIKE!
Reply With Quote
  #2181  
Old 12-30-2022, 03:08 PM
PaMtbRider PaMtbRider is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: York, Pa.
Posts: 2,375
First off congratulations on 20 years of building under your own brand name. Being too busy with regular orders to build special edition bikes sounds like a good problem to have.

If you announced a run of 10 anniversary bikes to be delivered no later than 2024, I think you would easily fill the list in a very short amount of time. Having a few Kirks in the garage and being familiar with your process, I would have no problem ordering a bike during your 20th anniversary year and receiving it the following year.

If you initially opened the list to previous customers, would that reduce the amount of time you spend on the phone / answering emails during the design phase?

Is completing parts for the anniversary bikes in batches a time savings in any way? I don't think you would want to offer these as stock geometry, but does building a batch of say forks or chainstays save any significant time?

Does an unpainted Onesto take less time to finish? I can't remember if you are still doing the finish work on these in house or if Joe Bell is involved in that process.


I'm definitely interested in hearing other thoughts / ideas on how to make these happen.
Reply With Quote
  #2182  
Old 12-30-2022, 03:38 PM
David Kirk's Avatar
David Kirk David Kirk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bozeman MT
Posts: 8,380
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaMtbRider View Post
First off congratulations on 20 years of building under your own brand name. Being too busy with regular orders to build special edition bikes sounds like a good problem to have.

If you announced a run of 10 anniversary bikes to be delivered no later than 2024, I think you would easily fill the list in a very short amount of time. Having a few Kirks in the garage and being familiar with your process, I would have no problem ordering a bike during your 20th anniversary year and receiving it the following year.

If you initially opened the list to previous customers, would that reduce the amount of time you spend on the phone / answering emails during the design phase?

Is completing parts for the anniversary bikes in batches a time savings in any way? I don't think you would want to offer these as stock geometry, but does building a batch of say forks or chainstays save any significant time?

Does an unpainted Onesto take less time to finish? I can't remember if you are still doing the finish work on these in house or if Joe Bell is involved in that process.


I'm definitely interested in hearing other thoughts / ideas on how to make these happen.

Thank you for the detailed answer. I've been thinking along the same lines.

To answer your questions -

- there is almost zero economy of scale with my bikes. The only time savings in doing two identical bikes is the time setting up the jig and that's 10 minutes at best. The bikes are built 100% by hand with out machines to set up and tear down so everything is a complete one-off.

- there would be no stock geometry. Everything needs to be custom.

- the unpainted stainless Onesto can be a time savings but they don't work for everyone. People living close to the ocean and salt air are not best served by a unpainted stainless bike. The salt air plays havoc with the surface and it stains and looks blotchy in time. At the risk of sounding sarcastic...they call it "stain-less" and not "stain-proof" for a reason. I don't think I'd want to exclude some portion of the potential buys by only offering a stainless 20th Anniversary bike.



Thanks again for your thoughts - it's much appreciated. You've got me thinking.......

dave
Reply With Quote
  #2183  
Old 12-30-2022, 04:01 PM
bob heinatz bob heinatz is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 811
Dave I would also have no problem ordering a 20th anniversary bike in 2023 and having it ready in 2024. Keep us posted on any further developments .
Reply With Quote
  #2184  
Old 01-03-2023, 12:35 PM
OtayBW OtayBW is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: NoBaltoCo
Posts: 6,095
I know: you're going to work as a part-time cowboy (or hitman ) on the Yellowstone/Dutton ranch!
__________________
“A bicycle is not a sofa”
-- Dario Pegoretti
Reply With Quote
  #2185  
Old 01-05-2023, 02:34 PM
jcs7282 jcs7282 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Metrowest Boston, MA
Posts: 476
These Onesto photos are so beautiful!

I know from trading emails with Dave a while back, there's no "written in stone" rule in terms of what level of proximity to the ocean is too close for comfort (in terms of upsetting the natural metal finish/color over time) but I am looking to hear from any owners on here about their experience in this regard.

Anyone with direct, hands-on/ownership experience of "how close is too close"?

For example, I would guess living within a mile of the ocean would probably be too close...but what about 10 miles away? 15? Where's the boundary, fully realizing that boundary is subject to moving in/out based on local climates...prevailing winds and such I would imagine can make a huge difference...

Any feedback/discussion on this is of interest...as a guy that dreams of one of these bikes!
Reply With Quote
  #2186  
Old 01-05-2023, 04:13 PM
AngryScientist's Avatar
AngryScientist AngryScientist is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: northeast NJ
Posts: 32,873
I would also like to add my congratulations on 20 years. That's quite an accomplishment, especially in light of how many others have entered and exited the space in that span of time. Cheers to you.
Reply With Quote
  #2187  
Old 01-05-2023, 04:25 PM
JasonF's Avatar
JasonF JasonF is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,082
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcs7282 View Post
These Onesto photos are so beautiful!

I know from trading emails with Dave a while back, there's no "written in stone" rule in terms of what level of proximity to the ocean is too close for comfort (in terms of upsetting the natural metal finish/color over time) but I am looking to hear from any owners on here about their experience in this regard.

Anyone with direct, hands-on/ownership experience of "how close is too close"?
Well, I live 8 miles from the Pacific and at that distance would have had zero issues keeping my Onesto "naked." However, when I was working with Dave and Joe Bell and mentioned that I would, on occasion, ride along the PCH they both urged me to have the frame painted. I think it would be impossible to predict how quickly the finish would be affected, if at all. As Dave has written in this space, it's also a matter of how much you're willing to keep up with maintenance.

All this said, I went with paint and couldn't be happier.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Screen Shot 2023-01-05 at 1.19.38 PM.jpg (112.7 KB, 285 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2188  
Old 01-05-2023, 05:06 PM
jcs7282 jcs7282 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Metrowest Boston, MA
Posts: 476
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
Well, I live 8 miles from the Pacific and at that distance would have had zero issues keeping my Onesto "naked." However, when I was working with Dave and Joe Bell and mentioned that I would, on occasion, ride along the PCH they both urged me to have the frame painted. I think it would be impossible to predict how quickly the finish would be affected, if at all. As Dave has written in this space, it's also a matter of how much you're willing to keep up with maintenance.
This is really interesting feedback, thanks!

I probably live roughly 2-3x the distance as you to the ocean (other coast though...) but similar to you, sometimes ride along the water. And sometimes spend a week near the ocean for vacation. So, it's interesting to hear this is a consideration.

With regards to maintenance -- what does that entail? Scotchbrite/polishing? Or something more intensive?
Reply With Quote
  #2189  
Old 01-05-2023, 05:50 PM
JasonF's Avatar
JasonF JasonF is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,082
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcs7282 View Post
This is really interesting feedback, thanks!

I probably live roughly 2-3x the distance as you to the ocean (other coast though...) but similar to you, sometimes ride along the water. And sometimes spend a week near the ocean for vacation. So, it's interesting to hear this is a consideration.

With regards to maintenance -- what does that entail? Scotchbrite/polishing? Or something more intensive?
Somewhere in this thread Dave discusses upkeep (Barkeepers Friend I think). I love my JB paintjob but wouldn't hesitate to try no finish and see what happens.
Reply With Quote
  #2190  
Old 01-06-2023, 09:55 AM
herb5998 herb5998 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Montreal, QC
Posts: 1,621
Yes, Dave recommends Barkeepers friend.

I find a couple times a year I need to use it while cleaning with a soft headed tooth brush to help get into the areas where the small amount of tarnish can appear. After cleaning a small swipe of Boeshield spray keeps things protected.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.