Recommend me a used full-steel road-racer to find..

[bicycletricycle]

People can get frustrated over almost anything.

When I was a kid I remember seeing those little steelman adds in the back of mountain bike action and always wanting one.

[jtbadge]

Originally Posted by Mike V

http://www.luckyduckoakland.com/bike...rame-fork-60cm

That kicks serious ass. I think Dan's looking for a steel fork, though.

[Andy sti]

I have a long and low steel frame I may not need. It does have a carbon fork though. It’s racey and it rips!

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

People can get frustrated over almost anything.

When I was a kid I remember seeing those little steelman adds in the back of mountain bike action and always wanting one.

Originally Posted by jtbadge

That kicks serious ass. I think Dan's looking for a steel fork, though.

That does kick ass, but it's a little loud for my sensibilities even if I was considering such a beast. I've never seen a Landshark with that much tubing manipulation though. Those chainstays are very Speedvagenesque...or whoever did it first...

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by mtechnica

I'm not trying to be mean I'm just saying if you want the best riding possible racing bike made from steel it would be a Colnago or Merckx made with better materials. Just IMHO. Saying that's not the geometry you want is basically saying you want worse geometry than the best rider in human history rode, for some reason, unbeknownst to me.

And how I understood the thread, was that you wanted to ride other bikes to inform the custom builder on what you wanted. Well, might as well ride the best of what is available then request better materials, which would be better frame tubing and a carbon fork. You can disagree all you want, that's fine. But if you want the best possible racing bike.....

And don't get me started on long and low or I will post a picture of my 1982 colnago which is probably longer and lower than you would like!

Serottas are good but NO BETTER than a Merckx or Colnago! there is no "magic" in the geometry.

All good my friend. I hope I do avail myself of the opportunity to ride something emblematic of that golden era - not next, but someday soon...

[bicycletricycle]

Originally Posted by Mike V

http://www.luckyduckoakland.com/bike...rame-fork-60cm

Is that place too cool for pricing?

[Clean39T]

Uh, oh. Change in script. It looks like I'm not too far back in line now and need to be making decisions sooner than later. So, this whole "try another one out to inform the next one" may not be happening.

The witty banter and recommendations have been good for my decisioning though, so I appreciate all y'all sharing your leisure time with me so generously.

[doomridesout]

You want a Della Santa or a Chris Kvale.

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by doomridesout

You want a Della Santa or a Chris Kvale.

Eventually, yes. DS may be a 2019 project. But it's going to be hard to find space for them all..

[jtbadge]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

Is that place too cool for pricing?

It says $1350. But they may be too cool to post any measurements.

[PNW]

I don’t think you will ever find a bike you’re completely content with...you’ve ridden so many, owned so many, and seem to find flaws in every bike rather than just riding and enjoying the miles. I mean, that’s where the forum can become a hole where all you do is buy, sell, and post...rather than log miles on the AMAZING bikes you’ve owned. I mean, do you even know what geometry you need in a bike? It’s great to give these builders the business but not even the best will be able to satisfy what you’re wanting at this point. Unfortunately I’m not sure if you even know what you want or what you’re doing? Lol it’s a whirlwind. You wanted to unload all of your Campy stuff...downsizing for a move....hoarding two groups for more builds...lol talking about picking up a new build in 2019 while waiting on a custom from one of the best?

You have much more experience about bikes than I do but the only advice I can give is...go RIDE. Don’t waste away your time on a forum talking about bikes, selling stuff, etc. If you have a Kirk cross, why are you wanting a potential bike that will do the same?

[ChristianWong]

Originally Posted by Clean39T

But it's going to be hard to find space for them all..

Call me when the floodgates open.

[weisan]

[weisan]

Clean pal asked for help, give it to him!

Jack's Zanc

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=33823

[DG24]

I've recently been riding a late 90's Lemond Buenos Aires equipped with Chorus 11.

1 inch steerer. Long. Cheap. Originally equipped with a threaded steel fork, although I have substituted a carbon one in it's place.

That should check several of your boxes. A Zurich is the same frame with an original carbon fork.