Recommend weight limit for 24/20 Spoke Count

[Tony T]

What’s the recommend weight limit for 24/20 spoke count?
IIRC, this spoke count is fine for riders < 200l lbs.

[Velocipede]

Depends on the build- spoke type, rim type, what it's going to be used for.

[Tony T]

H+Son Arch Type, Sapin x-ray, road only.

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by Tony T

H+Son Arch Type, Sapin x-ray, road only.

With that rim I would probably not exceed 200 in 20/24. Its not going to explode but it could go out of true quicker.

[stephenmarklay]

Originally Posted by Tony T

H+Son Arch Type, Sapin x-ray, road only.

I ran these is 20/24 at 190 and they were solid.

[cmg]

depends on the rim. if your over 200lbs and you want to use a light rim to keep the rotational weight down go with a higher spoke count rear rim.

[saab2000]

I am, sadly, in that weight class.

I went up to 28/24 when I ordered my Boyds. It’s possible that lower would have been OK but I’ve had zero issues with mine and the extra grams are ultimately meaningless.

I’d probably feel safe with 180 lbs on 24/20.

We’re talking aluminum rims here? Carbon is stronger so I’d probably feel OK with fewer on a deep carbon rim.

[robt57]

Good guideline@ Boyd IMO in this spec for a low profile alloy rim. This is a gravel wheel spec., thus perhaps overly safe for pristine pave use. 23mm rim used, but also a wide 23mm high, so 29mm wide = stronger rim than 23mm wide etc.

Just north of 1500 grams on the lesser spoked versions. Sensible light?

Front Wheel:
• 24 spoke front (weight limit 240 pounds)
• 28 spoke front (recommended for riders 225 pounds and up)
Rear Wheel:
• 28 spoke rear (weight limit 240 pounds)
• 32 spoke rear (recommended for riders 225 pounds and up)

[joevers]

I would not ride archetypes 20/24 at 200 lbs. Something stronger like a Belgium + I'd ride probably quite a bit past that, and something like an Enve rim should be good at 20/24 at 300 lbs I'd think.

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by joevers

I would not ride archetypes 20/24 at 200 lbs. Something stronger like a Belgium + I'd ride probably quite a bit past that

Any data available to suggest that Belgiums are stronger than Archetypes?

[joevers]

Originally Posted by Mr B

Any data available to suggest that Belgiums are stronger than Archetypes?

I'm not sure there's really data on any of this. They're wider and they're much easier to build to even tension because they're so even and flat out of the box. I've put at least 20-25,000 miles on Archetypes on various bikes and think they're fantastic rims but I don't think H+Son rims are on par with a Belgium +. They certainly don't seem as stiff. Just my experience, if anyone can put a number or data on any of these I'd welcome it, though I'm not really sure how that'd be measured.

In addition to my experiences the weight limits that HED puts on their wheels of a given spoke count implies they're up to the task of much heavier riders without more spokes.

And FWIW, the shops I've worked at have mostly built HED and H+Son rims.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Depends on the build- spoke type, rim type, what it's going to be used for.

What he said and the rider's riding 'style'. I had a light customer who beat the crap outta even burley wheels and have had some heavier that were fine with lighter wheels..so YMMV.
IO think in 'general', unless the rim is pretty beefy, I think the 20h front 'may' be a little underbuilt. Also remember, 4 spokes weigh about an ounce.

H+Son Arch Type, Sapin x-ray, road only.

Thin spokes and low spoke count..even tho the Archetype isn't a 'light' rim, I think this depends hugely on the rider. Yes, yes, I haven't read the whole thread but I'm sure there are 'I'm a clydesdale and have ridden 1100 gram wheels over baby head rock gardens and they are as true..yada, yada'. BUT, I think 20/24 'may' be a little light, particularly with such thin spokes.

Thanks guys, rider is 170lbs, so I’ll go with 24/20

well....there ya go.

My wheelbuilder typically does not favor Sapim CX-RAY spokes for most builds unless one simply must have aero profile. Somewhat flexy.

CX-Ray and CXSprint are ovalized thin spokes. If I were designing these and thin, oval spokes are asked for, I'd do it but these VERY expensive spokes add nothing to the build in terms of reliability, or performance. When compared to Sapim Race, Laser or D-Lite spokes.
The 'aeroness', when ya put an unaero body on the bike is lost in the noise.

AND I'd use CXSprint for right side rear

[GregL]

Short answer: yes, a 20/24 spoke wheelset can be plenty strong enough for a 200 lb. rider. Good wheel building skill combined with quality components will equal a reliable set of wheels.

Context: a little under three years ago, I built two, identical 20/24 spoke wheelsets for a friend and myself. We’re both amateur racers who wanted dependable, “everyday” racing wheels. Neither of us fit the bike racer mold. I used to be a 215 lb. hockey player (now down to 170-ish) and my friend Jon is 190 lbs. of single-digit body fat weight lifter. We both put down a lot of power. The wheel build specs:

• Kinlin XR31T rims (offset rear), 20/24 spokes

• Sapim CX-Ray spokes in front, radially laced

• Sapim CX-Sprint spokes in back, two-cross laced

• Brass nipples front and back

• Bitex hubs from bikehubstore.com

We chose the XR31T rims both for strength and aerodynamics. The finished wheelsets weighted about 1535 grams. Both wheelsets have been 100% reliable, with no trueing needed since they were built. Jon likes them so much that they have stayed on his bike full-time, even when towing his kids in a trailer. He claims towing the trailer is great training...

Greg

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by GregL

Short answer: yes, a 20/24 spoke wheelset can be plenty strong enough for a 200 lb. rider. Good wheel building skill combined with quality components will equal a reliable set of wheels.

Context: a little under three years ago, I built two, identical 20/24 spoke wheelsets for a friend and myself. We’re both amateur racers who wanted dependable, “everyday” racing wheels. Neither of us fit the bike racer mold. I used to be a 215 lb. hockey player (now down to 170-ish) and my friend Jon is 190 lbs. of single-digit body fat weight lifter. We both put down a lot of power. The wheel build specs:

• Kinlin XR31T rims (offset rear), 20/24 spokes

• Sapim CX-Ray spokes in front, radially laced

• Sapim CX-Sprint spokes in back, two-cross laced

• Brass nipples front and back

• Bitex hubs from bikehubstore.com

We chose the XR31T rims both for strength and aerodynamics. The finished wheelsets weighted about 1535 grams. Both wheelsets have been 100% reliable, with no trueing needed since they were built. Jon likes them so much that they have stayed on his bike full-time, even when towing his kids in a trailer. He claims towing the trailer is great training...

Greg

As noted earlier, rim selection has a large effect on the number of spokes that should be used. The Kinlin XR31T is deep (31mm) and heavy (500 g) so it won't need as many spokes for a given rider size as shallower and lighter rims would. Lighter riders can easily get by with 16/20 spokes with this rim.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Mark McM

As noted earlier, rim selection has a large effect on the number of spokes that should be used. The Kinlin XR31T is deep (31mm) and heavy (500 g) so it won't need as many spokes for a given rider size as shallower and lighter rims would. Lighter riders can easily get by with 16/20 spokes with this rim.

Here's one for ya..DT411 and XR31T rims...
DT411-32/32
XR31T-20/24

Same Bitex hubs

Both using Sapim D-Light spokes..which wheelset weighs less?

















DT411-1481g vs 1545g


The 'way' to a light wheelset is a light rim and adequate spokes for the rider..BUT, loses LOTZ of coffee shop points before your Sunday, 35 mile ride.