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reuben · #76 03-26-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Velocipede

They absolutely have state of the art navigation equipment. This shouldn't have happened. If you look at past pics of the canal, they never get that close to the shore. So how they beached it, who knows.

There's 10 tugs around it right now.

Navigation, such as GPS - location/direction - is one thing.

Environmental conditions, such as a scirocco, are something else. If a sudden, large, and consistent wind arises and you're piloting a giant sailboat in the crosswind, well, it may not work out well for you.

It will take some time for the facts to come out, and they'll undoubtedly be spun in more than one direction. We'll just have to wait for the facts.

charliedid · #77 03-26-2021, 04:09 PM

Kudos to you folks who have done this.....I could never.

No way I want that job.

bigbill · #78 03-26-2021, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by merlinmurph

@bigbill: When you went thru, did you have tugs guiding you?

Tugs accompanied the transit but were not guiding the ship. A large ship is more than capable of staying in the center of the channel. It's only if you lose propulsion that you lose your ability to steer. Anchoring wouldn't help in that narrow of a waterway.

The Egyptians are very protective of their canal. I passed through it three weeks after 9/11 and we had armored vehicle escorts on the service roads that parallel the canal. It's not so much that they cared about the U.S., they didn't want terrorists sinking a warship in their canal.

Velocipede · #79 03-26-2021, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by merlinmurph

I doubt navigation had anything to do with it, in the sense that you know exactly where you are and you're bringing this ship down a veritable bowling alley. It would be more a boat handling issue and the sandstorm wreaked havoc.

I visit my dad in Savannah which has a huge port. It's very cool to watch the ships go down the river right past downtown in a pretty narrow river. They are very close to River St. I noticed that with the bigger ships, there were 1-2 tugs managing the bow plus a tug attached to the stern with a line. I wonder if this ship had any tug assistance, and if so, how were they configured.

@bigbill: When you went thru, did you have tugs guiding you?

I live near Cleveland and we have massive ore boats running the Cuyahoga River which is incredibly tight. And we don't have these kinds of issues on it. The bulk carriers we have are 1000 footers and carrying 80,000 tons. So yes, smaller than the Ever Given (1312 ft and 220,000 tons). But the Cuyahoga River where they navigate, they don't use tugs! The pilots run the river.

adub · #80 03-26-2021, 04:29 PM

Supposedly costing $400M per hour and a guy in an excavator is gonna fix it..

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LJohnny · #81 03-26-2021, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbill

I've driven carriers through there twice. On the bridge, you can't see water around you, only sand. We traveled with tugs just in case something happened. Have a nuclear ship grounded like that would be way worse.

Did you go through the Panamá Canal? I have been there and once in the locks, old lock system that is, it seemed to me that there was no more than a foot between the hull and the edge! Not sure with the new waterway system. I know that there is now the NeoPanamax compared to the old Panamax

unterhausen · #82 03-26-2021, 06:41 PM

Traffic report from the Suez Canal
https://twitter.com/JonHansenTV/stat...38035551522821

bigbill · #83 03-26-2021, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LJohnny

Did you go through the Panamá Canal? I have been there and once in the locks, old lock system that is, it seemed to me that there was no more than a foot between the hull and the edge! Not sure with the new waterway system. I know that there is now the NeoPanamax compared to the old Panamax

Went through the Panama Canal on a repair ship in 2007. When you're in the locks, the ship is held in the center with wire cables and pulled along with the diesel mules. They were building the big canal when I was there but I have not returned since.

oldpotatoe · #84 03-27-2021, 05:16 AM

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When I was in the PNW, the pilots were multi-generational. The jobs were passed father to son, with the parent paying the fees to get into the guild. I heard as much as $400K to "buy in" for qualified pilots. When I was on submarines we'd pick up a pilot near Port Angeles as we entered the Puget Sound traffic separation. On east coast carriers, we'd get a pilot near Thimble Shoals.

It's be alluded to but worth re-mentioning..A ship, USN anyway, I don't care if there's a crew of qualified 'pilots' on the bridge, if the ship goes aground or hits something..it's the guy in the big chair that will answer for it(Captain) and that will mostly mean a new Captain(and others) and early retirement or separation for more than a few...

merlinmurph · #85 03-27-2021, 07:02 AM

Tugs are definitely one of the coolest boats out there.

A couple of updates from the NYTimes regarding a few other things to think about:

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They will need to clear other vessels from the area, a huge coordination effort. And they will need to account for the possibility that the Ever Given’s grounding has rearranged the seabed, making it harder for other ships to pass through the area even after it has been moved, said Capt. Paul Foran, a marine consultant who has worked on salvage operations.

With the ship sagging in the middle, its bow and stern both caught in positions for which it was not designed, the hull is vulnerable to stress and cracks, both experts said.

Oh great, imagine this thing breaking in two...

LJohnny · #86 03-27-2021, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbill

Went through the Panama Canal on a repair ship in 2007. When you're in the locks, the ship is held in the center with wire cables and pulled along with the diesel mules. They were building the big canal when I was there but I have not returned since.

Awesome! I was there ‘08

bigbill · #87 03-27-2021, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

It's be alluded to but worth re-mentioning..A ship, USN anyway, I don't care if there's a crew of qualified 'pilots' on the bridge, if the ship goes aground or hits something..it's the guy in the big chair that will answer for it(Captain) and that will mostly mean a new Captain(and others) and early retirement or separation for more than a few...

No band change of command.

Velocipede · #88 03-27-2021, 08:42 AM

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Velocipede · #89 03-27-2021, 08:48 AM

11 tugs currently at the Ever Given with 4 more on the way. Over 250 other boats waiting to for them to clear it. Vessel Track is wild. To see all the boats backed up.
They are saying this blockage is holding up $9.6 BILLION a day!!

bigbill · #90 03-27-2021, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Velocipede

11 tugs currently at the Ever Given with 4 more on the way. Over 250 other boats waiting to for them to clear it. Vessel Track is wild. To see all the boats backed up.
They are saying this blockage is holding up $9.6 BILLION a day!!

It's too heavy to move unless they've unloaded some ballast. 250 thousand tons stuck in the sand, good luck to them. Some good twisting torque should finish off the hull, hope I'm wrong.