New Sram Red eTap AXS group

[vincenz]

Originally Posted by BikeNY

Because the power meter is integrated into the chainring. If you need a new chainring, you need to get a new power meter. On the good side, they have stated the chainrings will last much longer, and if you trade in the old one you get 50% off a new one.

Hm ok maybe I heard wrong on the GCN video then, or maybe they just were referring to a third party power meter.

[shoota]

Originally Posted by vincenz

Hm ok maybe I heard wrong on the GCN video then, or maybe they just were referring to a third party power meter.

You probably heard right. There is a non-power meter version that you could add something like a Stages to and then just replace rings as needed.

[PaMtbRider]

I like the idea of a 46/33 crank, 10-33 cassette. I would probably prefer an 11-33 cassette if I were to put this on a new gravel bike. I also like their solution for a clutch style rear derailleur.

Street price on a Di2 9170 group is about $2700 That is more than a $1000 less than the equivalent eTap AXS groupset. In a years time the prices might be more in line, but early adopters will be paying a high premium.

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by PaMtbRider

I like the idea of a 46/33 crank, 10-33 cassette. I would probably prefer an 11-33 cassette if I were to put this on a new gravel bike. I also like their solution for a clutch style rear derailleur.

Totally agreed. A 10-tooth cog is overkill for most riders even with a compact.

I use a 46x11 on my gravel bike and it's plenty for 99.9% of the time. I'd also rather have an 11-33 or thereabouts.

I do like the 46/33 crank option as well.

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by saab2000

Totally agreed. A 10-tooth cog is overkill for most riders even with a compact.

I use a 46x11 on my gravel bike and it's plenty for 99.9% of the time. I'd also rather have an 11-33 or thereabouts.

I do like the 46/33 crank option as well.

this is exactly what I have been saying. For most people 11-33 is just fine and you get a tighter ration at the other end of the cassette which is better.

At 100 RPM with a 11 in the back is about 33mph... A 10 gives you another 3mph which for some will be worth, most will just coast down the hill... And for straight line 33mph is plenty. Again, different strokes...

[bfd]

Originally Posted by saab2000

Totally agreed. A 10-tooth cog is overkill for most riders even with a compact.

I use a 46x11 on my gravel bike and it's plenty for 99.9% of the time. I'd also rather have an 11-33 or thereabouts.

I do like the 46/33 crank option as well.

Since this new crank appears to have a 110bcd bolt pattern, you can easily duplicate the 46/33 gearing by buying TA Specialties chainrings as they offer a 33t chainring. I’ve been using 48/33 for years. Works well and feels like you lowered your rear gearing by one cog. So if you’re using say a 12-28 cassette, it feels like you have a 29t instead.

Of course, YMMV!

Good Luck!

[livesadventure]

The only thing that's very exciting to me about this new eTap group is the ability to mix road and mtn groups with ease.

On a gravel bike you can run a 1x with road shifters, an eagle rear derailleur and 10-50 cassette. You can ever throw a wireless dropper on.

Pretty awesome

[corky]

Imagine laying this new Etap equipped bike down?.......replacement costs ......

[jtbadge]

Originally Posted by bfd

Since this new crank appears to have a 110bcd bolt pattern, you can easily duplicate the 46/33 gearing by buying TA Specialties chainrings as they offer a 33t chainring. I’ve been using 48/33 for years. Works well and feels like you lowered your rear gearing by one cog. So if you’re using say a 12-28 cassette, it feels like you have a 29t instead.

Of course, YMMV!

Good Luck!

I have 46/33 with a TA inner ring on a Rival 22 crank - works like a dream! Wouldn't mind tracking one down for my 6800 crank.

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by PaMtbRider

I like the idea of a 46/33 crank, 10-33 cassette. I would probably prefer an 11-33 cassette if I were to put this on a new gravel bike. I also like their solution for a clutch style rear derailleur.

Street price on a Di2 9170 group is about $2700 That is more than a $1000 less than the equivalent eTap AXS groupset. In a years time the prices might be more in line, but early adopters will be paying a high premium.

yes but $4000 is with the PM so add a PM to that Di2 and You are going to come damn close to the etap.

[PaMtbRider]

Originally Posted by R3awak3n

yes but $4000 is with the PM so add a PM to that Di2 and You are going to come damn close to the etap.

2x HRD RED $3,648 without power meter. That is a $1000 over a 9170 Di2 group. Add a powermeter to the SRAM group and msrp is $4158

[doubleklobbs]

Originally Posted by shoota

You probably heard right. There is a non-power meter version that you could add something like a Stages to and then just replace rings as needed.

This answer is so simple and shuts down the power meter replacement convo right away. Ride the non-PM group with Stages or a pedal PM until 3rd party spider / crank PMs become available in 6 months. Replace your non-PM rings to your heart's content.

How is this release any different when a new Shimano crank is released and your older Quarq doesn't work with it? Other than SRAM offering a fundamentally stupid product in tandem with a regular product?