sort of OT autonomous car fatality

[jimcav]

So I saw a scrolling news alert that a self driving uber hit a woman pushing a bicycle (hence the sort of OT) in AZ, apparently pushing a bike last night through an intersection. At work I can't access new sites (but can this forum--duh). A quick search on my phone said the uber had a "control driver" as back up. So I guess the conditions must have been bad for both the self-driving electronics and the human pilot to both miss seeing her. Just wondered if anyone had more details.

[tuscanyswe]

I dont but thats one of the clear problems with these cars.
They should either do it all or they should do nothing imo. Driver in the car thats not suppose to drive is a passenger imo. How would he know when to intervene unless obvious and by that time i bet its often to late anyways.

Sad that a person had to die so we can have computers driving us to work. Well that we test them in public before fool proof at least.

[fiamme red]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/t...-fatality.html

[jimcav]

Originally Posted by fiamme red

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/t...-fatality.html

I'm sure they will discuss it on CNN when i get home if someone else hasn't been poisoned, or fired, or resigned to completly monopolize the news

[binxnyrwarrsoul]

Originally Posted by jimcav

I'm sure they will discuss it on CNN when i get home if someone else hasn't been poisoned, or fired, or resigned to completly monopolize the news

Or there's even a dusting of snow.

[jimcav]

Originally Posted by binxnyrwarrsoul

Or there's even a dusting of snow.

I haven't bought a HD antenaa and the only thing I've figured out how to add besides amazon prime and netflix was cnn2go, so yes, that is what has been on
and of course i was wrong, it was the cambridge analytica whisteblower last night: so i swtiched over to prime and watched "swiss army man" which i enjoyed

[Tony T]

Originally Posted by jimcav

I'm sure they will discuss it on CNN when i get home if someone else hasn't been poisoned, or fired, or resigned to completly monopolize the news

CNN?
The 24/7 "Stormy Daniels" channel?
They'll spend 10 minutes on the news and then get back to "Stormy"

[Big Dan]

Originally Posted by Tony T

CNN?
The 24/7 "Stormy Daniels" channel?
They'll spend 10 minutes on the news and then get back to "Stormy"

I feel bad for you dude.

[Tony T]

Why? Because I've lost faith in CNN to report the news?

[ftf]

Originally Posted by tuscanyswe

Sad that a person had to die so we can have computers driving us to work. Well that we test them in public before fool proof at least.

How many people do you think were killed today because we allow humans to drive cars?

Answer, almost 3300 a day, or 1,300,000 a year

[fiamme red]

Now we have self-driving trucks on the highways too: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/t...ng-trucks.html.

Who's responsible if a self-driving vehicle kills someone? The manufacturer?

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by fiamme red

Now we have self-driving trucks on the highways too: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/t...ng-trucks.html.

Who's responsible if a self-driving vehicle kills someone? The manufacturer?

If the occupant has override capabilities I would assume the operator would be responsible for accidents as the operator presumably has the possibility to avoid the accident.

It will indeed be interesting to find out the specifics of this exact case. I would assume the car has cameras that can be viewed by the developer so a real picture may eventually come to light.

[jimcav]

Originally Posted by saab2000

If the occupant has override capabilities I would assume the operator would be responsible for accidents as the operator presumably has the possibility to avoid the accident.

It will indeed be interesting to find out the specifics of this exact case. I would assume the car has cameras that can be viewed by the developer so a real picture may eventually come to light.

that would make sense. I can't decide whether to marvel or cringe at self-driving. It makes total sense that it is possible as the aviation stuff is pretty amazing these days, but then I think of the roomba i saw last year getting "stuck" and wonder what sort of redundancy and reliability is possible.

[MattTuck]

The loss of life is tragic.

This squares with many bicycle/pedestrian deaths in that it happened at night. Article says the woman was crossing the street, outside of a cross walk. Not sure of the exact details, which I am sure will come out eventually. My dad always told me, when crossing the street, to assume that cars cannot see you. Hence, stop, look both ways, listen.

Not sure what the circumstances were that led to this, but it seems to confirm that roads are dangerous places for pedestrians and other vulnerable road users, and all caution should be taken.

As for regulations of the autonomous driving industry, policy makers have a real chance to create a system that is fair and internalizes all the costs... but they'll likely mess it up.

[tuscanyswe]

Originally Posted by ftf

How many people do you think were killed today because we allow humans to drive cars?

Answer, almost 3300 a day, or 1,300,000 a year

Its not the same tho is it? Once they have concluded that the statistics are in favor of computer driven cars thats one thing but right now they are testing it! Wondering if the tech is good enough to make it work to an acceptable level.

To me, its sad someone died because of poor tech. Thats how i c it at this point in time (without more info than currently available).

And for the statistics i think without checking that if i were to do the math of hours of human driven cars in usa vs hours of computer driven cars in usa who hit a person crossing the street on foot with a bicycle the statistics would favor the human drivers. I dont know that but i would guess by a lot. And no 1 case is not a good data point i know but u brought up statistics.