NY Times article on Ineos Team

[Alan]

See link which all should be able to read.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/571...sultPosition=1

I have to say I am not a huge Ineos fan and never really liked them except for Geraint Thomas. You have to wonder about results vs their budget. I don't get the synergy between soccer and cycling but maybe I don't understand.

Alan

[mhespenheide]

Originally Posted by Alan

...never really liked them except for Geraint Thomas.

I'm not really a fan either, but I enjoyed Bernal's Giro win. It had a panache that was missing from their other GT victories. I would have loved to see Bernal fighting it out with Roglic, Pogacar, and Vingegaard if he hadn't had that horrific training crash.

[Philster]

I'm definitely not an expert, but I see Ineos as kind of like Red Bull. They're also involved in Formula 1 and the America's cup.

I don't know if there's a business strategy involved or just a core business which throws off a ton of cash and an owner who likes to have fun.

[novacyclist]

Blah! Pay wall. Synopsis?

[Strain]

Originally Posted by novacyclist

Blah! Pay wall. Synopsis?

Open in "reader mode" in the browser of your choice.

[Talrand]

Originally Posted by novacyclist

Blah! Pay wall. Synopsis?

Synopsis:
Journalism is dying since no one wants to pay for it.

[jemoryl]

Originally Posted by novacyclist

Blah! Pay wall. Synopsis?

Here you go: https://archive.ph/5mg76

[trener1]

Originally Posted by Talrand

Synopsis:
Journalism is dying since no one wants to pay for it.

Love this.

[goonster]

Red Bull's soccer organization has an impressive track record of turning money into sustained, if relatively modest, sporting success. Whether their strategy is ethical, or should be emulated, is a different conversation, but the results are there.

They started near the bottom and built the project gradually. INEOS has bought into one of the biggest clubs (by revenue), with huge expectations right from the start.

As someone who follows both cycling and soccer, I don't see a lot of leverageable synergy between the two. Everybody is chasing the winning formula, and I don't see any evidence, yet, for "Big Sir Jim" bringing an advantage.

I've been rooting passionately against Man Utd since approximately 1998, and the last ten years have been particularly rewarding in this regard. Here's to ten more years of mediocrity!

[Elefantino]

Originally Posted by trener1

Love this.

I don't. I left a 35-year career 11 years ago because I a) saw the writing on the wall and b) got tired of laying off my friends.

I still have a few, very few, who are still in the business, practicing real journalism. But more and more people are relying on idiot news sources, resulting in an idiot populace (not to mention an idiot electorate).

[echappist]

Originally Posted by goonster

Red Bull's soccer organization has an impressive track record of turning money into sustained, if relatively modest, sporting success. Whether their strategy is ethical, or should be emulated, is a different conversation, but the results are there.

They started near the bottom and built the project gradually. INEOS has bought into one of the biggest clubs (by revenue), with huge expectations right from the start.

As someone who follows both cycling and soccer, I don't see a lot of leverageable synergy between the two. Everybody is chasing the winning formula, and I don't see any evidence, yet, for "Big Sir Jim" bringing an advantage.

I've been rooting passionately against Man Utd since approximately 1998, and the last ten years have been particularly rewarding in this regard. Here's to ten more years of mediocrity!

Nice!

Which also happens to be the name of another holding in BSJ's sporting portfolio. They are presently sitting 8th out of 18 teams, which actually isn't very nice but is on-brand for BSJ's football ventures.

[trener1]

Originally Posted by Elefantino

I don't. I left a 35-year career 11 years ago because I a) saw the writing on the wall and b) got tired of laying off my friends.

I still have a few, very few, who are still in the business, practicing real journalism. But more and more people are relying on idiot news sources, resulting in an idiot populace (not to mention an idiot electorate).

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant that I loved the post of you should pay for journalism if you want any meaningful journalism.

[redir]

I don't feel attached to sponsored teams but rather to individual athletes. It's just not the same thing as growing up in New York and liking the Giants and the Yankees. There is no attachment to local culture, region, people and so on. It's just some company that owns a cycling team or worse, a nation sportswashing.

But I digress.

I loved watching the young Egan Bernal win the Tour in 2019. Of course Geraint Thomas was always a pleasure to watch as was Froome with his awkward pedaling style. The team had some serious bad luck with Froome and Bernal crashing so who knows what they could have accomplished.

[Philster]

I’m not sure why “paying for journalism” equates to paying for the New York Times.

I’m not a fan of the NYT, but even if I was, I wouldn’t be subscribing to every source that might be linked here.