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08-21-2020, 12:46 PM
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P.S. you know this is just my opinion, right? Like I say, I'm sure they'll ride nicely, I'm sure they'll sell out fast - but they're just dull to look at. Perhaps they're offering paint and anodizing and whatnot, but I'd have thought you'd put your best foot forwards when creating a brochure to try and sell your products. It's a crowded marketplace nowadays, after all. 
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08-21-2020, 12:54 PM
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08-22-2020, 06:31 AM
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Sounds like he's looking for $ up front to finance these things before he goes forward. Pretty gutsy, considering the economy, and the very 'diverse' titanium market now...IMHO.
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08-22-2020, 08:29 AM
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wow. you guys are harsh.
sure seems like a lot of ppl want to see Ben fail. i wonder how many would say the same thing if Aston Martin rose from the ashes to make the DB2 again. if you want a flashy paint job and graphics, i bet Walmart has some.
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08-22-2020, 08:36 AM
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Aston Martin, unlike Serotta, is well placed in the 21st century. As for 'flashy paint jobs'..few if any ti makers do that..
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08-22-2020, 01:33 PM
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So, let's flip this around.
What can Ben do to differentiate himself in an over-crowded ti-frame market? At NAHBS Sacramento years ago (not the last time, the time prior to that there were 20+ ti builders. So choose based on aesthetic and dropout design? Head spinning choices. At NAHBS Sacramento the last time now we have a beauty contest based on paint to differentiate the ti builders. Assuming the fabrication is competitive he's going to be differentiated based on aspects like his name and price and process (how easy it will be to work with him, delivery times, etc.) Very tough market conditions to try to sell frame #1 in.
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08-22-2020, 02:52 PM
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Does anyone know for sure who is building the bikes?
dave
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08-22-2020, 03:05 PM
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Nothing uglier than the Moots logo. Every frame I have ever seen the damm thing is flaking off.
I think it's a nice looking frame but it is spoiled by the disc brake cable. That detail is just horrible.
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08-22-2020, 03:16 PM
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I cannot unsee the rear brake cabling. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
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08-22-2020, 03:54 PM
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Entrepreneurs always have to have the balls to weather the nay sayers.
Maybe it's because when I got into "serious" cycling ti was the be-all end-all material for bicycle frames. Maybe it's because I've never ridden a carbon bike I've liked more than metal. Whatever the reason, a ti frame will always be the pinnacle of bicycle building to me. For me a bicycle's a tool, so the "only 100 will be built" exclusivity stuff doesn't move me. But with Ben's knowledge of fit and frame design I'd say it's a bit too early to write Ben off just yet. Last edited by dgauthier; 08-22-2020 at 03:59 PM.
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08-22-2020, 04:26 PM
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As per my comment I thought the folks at No22 were building them. I can't find the source of where I read that...hence I qualified my comment with a ? Though I'm guessing you got that.
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08-22-2020, 04:40 PM
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In an earlier thread someone from 22 replied that they have nothing to do with these bikes
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