Worthy of discussion? LA-7 and Ullrich - Page 3

cash05458 · #31 08-16-2018, 10:23 AM

I mean, it is nice Lance says that...sure thing...but what on earth can Lance do besides get in the news over the statement? Jan has plenty of money to fund whatever rehab he needs and hopefully he will be successful with that. I would imagine that he is surrounded by folks who know what they are doing and are professionals. Lance flying in to give Ullrich some pep talk about motivation is prolly the last thing the guy needs.

jmoore · #32 08-16-2018, 10:37 AM

Even a-holes like Lance have friends and people they care about. I'm sure since he a Jan went through the same type of things, they have some sort of bond. Someone probably asked him about Jan.

I'm inclined to give LA the benefit of the doubt on this one.

oldpotatoe · #33 08-16-2018, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cash05458

I mean, it is nice Lance says that...sure thing...but what on earth can Lance do besides get in the news over the statement? Jan has plenty of money to fund whatever rehab he needs and hopefully he will be successful with that. I would imagine that he is surrounded by folks who know what they are doing and are professionals. Lance flying in to give Ullrich some pep talk about motivation is prolly the last thing the guy needs.

Hope so on both counts. Biggest issue is Jan admitting he has a problem and seeks help..NOT to just to get back with his kids but admit he has a problem..

cash05458 · #34 08-16-2018, 10:53 AM

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Hope so on both counts. Biggest issue is Jan admitting he has a problem and seeks help..NOT to just to get back with his kids but admit he has a problem..

I agree with that Pete...the main concern Jan has about seeing his kids is a symptom...an excuse for such stuff...I am sure not seeing his children drives him to things but that ain't where it prolly started at all..the sad fact is that Jan ain't going to see his kids for a good while even if he gets help (and then some)...things just don't work that way when you have lost control like this. The point being: he needs to not only seek help but admit that he has a very big problem. The old "rock bottom" problem is just the start actually...as for Lance, I mean, just stay out of it buddy...I highly doubt they would even let Armstrong inside the place...this **** aint a podcast and rehab and therapy over serious stuff does not work that way.

Heisenberg · #35 08-16-2018, 11:50 AM

still a bit mystified by the pity party commentary from the bike community for Jan. Dude nearly killed a woman and has had access to help for over a decade without taking advantage of it. There's a trail of destruction in his wake.

**** him until he owns up to it, gets clean, and gets some real help.

FlashUNC · #36 08-16-2018, 12:22 PM

Jan always seemed like a complicated guy, and I hope he's getting the actual help he needs.

https://rouleur.cc/editorial/jan-ull...k-on-the-bike/

charliedid · #37 08-16-2018, 12:24 PM

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still a bit mystified by the pity party commentary from the bike community for Jan. Dude nearly killed a woman and has had access to help for over a decade without taking advantage of it. There's a trail of destruction in his wake.

**** him until he owns up to it, gets clean, and gets some real help.

I hope and wish the best for everyone. Even the a-holes.

rain dogs · #38 08-16-2018, 01:09 PM

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It's not like he's a catholic priest or something. Yeesh...

Interesting response on your part to my response to LA -7 saying:

“When Italy idolizes/admires an Ivan Basso and ‘disgraces’ Pantani, then we get what we got,”

IMHO that is odd statment considering until that quote LA had always been super-buds with Basso (but sort of takes a shot at him there) and was super hostile to Pantani, and on numerous occasions went out of his way to embarass Pantani, and, not unlike a child even stooped as low as calling him names - "Il Elefantino". IFAIR he even started a press conference taking that dig at an already humiliated Pantani who quit the tour. Kicking a guy (who had been struggling with mental illness) when he's down and all.

Based on what actually happened that quote seems quite the 180 no? I don't ever remember Armstrong demonstrating the compassion toward Pantani he now appears to be calling for?

Maybe LA should become a Catholic Priest?

"[they] don’t care about the people involved. All they care about are PR campaigns. And at the end of the day we’re talking about the lives of our sporting heroes. The stakes are high.”

oldpotatoe · #39 08-16-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

still a bit mystified by the pity party commentary from the bike community for Jan. Dude nearly killed a woman and has had access to help for over a decade without taking advantage of it. There's a trail of destruction in his wake.

**** him until he owns up to it, gets clean, and gets some real help.

How compassionate of you. I’m guessing you’ve never been around anybody with a self destructive mental illness. ‘HTFU’ really doesn’t work.

Heisenberg · #40 08-16-2018, 01:30 PM

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How compassionate of you. I’m guessing you’ve never been around anybody with a self destructive mental illness. ‘HTFU’ really doesn’t work.

More than a few, but I draw a line at attempted murder. I'm sorry - I've been there in those spirals, and I've seen them from the outside, but when violence and abuse become part of the equation (especially with vulnerable people), the rules of the game change drastically.

The bro-ish response from the general community gives me a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach and just reinforces the withering of professional road cycling, while giving me whiffs of the NFL's problem with violence. Except, you know, bike racing has no money. Or comparable popularity.

It's just a ****ing bummer.

sfscott · #41 08-16-2018, 04:21 PM

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How compassionate of you. I’m guessing you’ve never been around anybody with a self destructive mental illness. ‘HTFU’ really doesn’t work.

+1000.

You can't apply rational thought to a person who isn't capable of same for whatever reason.

If Lance can help Jan or anyone get through some very dangerous times by leveraging a bond, a mutual trust or some other factor, all to the good.

I know everyone thinks that LiveStrong was a scam. But it did raise a lot of money for cancer and, by their own admission, give many patients help and hope.

People are complicated. Few of us are all good or all bad.

Lovetoclimb · #42 08-16-2018, 04:35 PM

Would someone please supply more information about his assault case. PM is fine to keep it out of the thread.

Gsinill · #43 08-16-2018, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashUNC

Jan always seemed like a complicated guy, and I hope he's getting the actual help he needs.

https://rouleur.cc/editorial/jan-ull...k-on-the-bike/

Thanks for sharing. Forgot about JU and Frank Wörndl being buddies.
Curious where he is now when Ullrich really could use his help.

weiwentg · #44 08-16-2018, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

... I’m guessing you’ve never been around anybody with a self destructive mental illness. ‘HTFU’ really doesn’t work.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

More than a few, but I draw a line at attempted murder. ...

Both these responses are correct IMO. (And yes, I overlooked Jan's attempted murder of the escort earlier, much to my chagrin ... although the question in the original post was about LA.)

charliedid · #45 08-16-2018, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rain dogs

Interesting response on your part to my response to LA -7 saying:

“When Italy idolizes/admires an Ivan Basso and ‘disgraces’ Pantani, then we get what we got,”

IMHO that is odd statment considering until that quote LA had always been super-buds with Basso (but sort of takes a shot at him there) and was super hostile to Pantani, and on numerous occasions went out of his way to embarass Pantani, and, not unlike a child even stooped as low as calling him names - "Il Elefantino". IFAIR he even started a press conference taking that dig at an already humiliated Pantani who quit the tour. Kicking a guy (who had been struggling with mental illness) when he's down and all.

Based on what actually happened that quote seems quite the 180 no? I don't ever remember Armstrong demonstrating the compassion toward Pantani he now appears to be calling for?

Maybe LA should become a Catholic Priest?

"[they] don’t care about the people involved. All they care about are PR campaigns. And at the end of the day we’re talking about the lives of our sporting heroes. The stakes are high.”

Yeah, I get it....Lance +7 was mean to some people. Not exactly the crime of the century in my book. I guess I can compartmentalize a lot of this stuff, Lance is a bike racer...whatever. I enjoyed watching him ride bikes.

I don't have many heroes, sporting or otherwise. I don't read about people's personal life or the soap opera side of professional sports and don't read many biographies.

People are weird and sometimes they do bad things and sometimes they don't. Sometimes they come to grips with the life they have led and sometimes they don't. I wish everyone the best.