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that little italian flag on the top tube...
maybe someones got some clues....There are these little metallic tri-colered italian flags on the side of top tubes in front of the seat tube on a lot of Italian bikes. Ive seen them on some Ciocc and Concord frames. So i wonder ....dont think Pelizolli does this. Current Ciocc name owners might. What about Billato ? Makes sense , some Concords have the flag some don't. The ones without the dinky flag i figure are made by Ciocc. I have 3 Ciocc's from late 70's to mid 80's. No flags, but they're outside of current Ciocc production. Indulge me with your thoughts. Who puts this little flag on the top tube ?
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I have always seen these linked with Bilato. My early ‘90’s post Pelizzoli Ciöcc has one.
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I thought Concord was made in Belgium? I have one on a Guerciotti.
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yeh, my hunch is leaning with Billato. Current Ciocc i think has the flag too. So its weird. Concord was built by Ciocc and Bilatto for the Dutch team PDM. I heard many were painted in Belgium. To many builders build for others on the down low.
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Makes me wonder who builds Guerciotti ?
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I've always thought it was Bilato as well.
I've also seen the flag on some DeBernardi models.
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I have a mid 90’s bilato built Cramerotti that has them.
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Also one on my Casati.
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Battaglin
Also on my Battaglin
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Need more info. Is the flag actually flag shaped? Or, a flag referenced in a diff shape (e.g. square, oval, etc)?
Cicli Barco’s trademark (when building under their name) is usually on the top tube, drive side. They are built like that today. |
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My Gios has one, too. It seems to be a braze-on that was readily available back in the day....
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The brazed on flag is usually indicative of a Billato frame.
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Agreed--and IIRC, some of the commonality of the look of the Concorde and Ciioc frames was common sourcing from them.
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Quote:
Billato made some nice frames, not to be looked down upon at all. |
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