Tire Advise - Rene Herse Content

[jambee]

Yesterday as I was coming back from a ride, something slashed my Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass (standard casing) real good.



This is so royally cut that when I pump the tire it perturbs a little out of the hole.



Is this a case where one retires the tire or will tubeless repair kit save the day?

[CNY rider]

That's toast.
Would not ride on that again.

[charliedid]

You could boot it from the inside and see how it goes but I'd never ride it personally.

Supple comes at a cost.

[AngryScientist]

edit: i just re-read.

sounds like that cut is all the way through the casing. in this case, a boot is not likely to be a good long term solution, as crap is going to get in there and foul things up.

game over for that tire.

as mentioned, it's a trade off. the compass tires ride beautifully, but they really are made just like a supple road racing tire. low weight, not much rubber in the tread and soft compounds all contribute to the awesome ride at the expense of durability.

[FlashUNC]

Done. Trainer duty would be about the limit for it.

[thwart]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

as mentioned, it's a trade off. the compass tires ride beautifully, but they really are made just like a supple road racing tire. low weight, not much rubber in the tread and soft compounds all contribute to the awesome ride at the expense of durability.

Actually, I'm surprised at the tread depth (we're talking thick!) on my Barlow Pass tires. My guess is the 'suppleness' is primarily due to sidewall design.

Then again, I have the standard version, not the EL.

[MikeD]

I'm thinking that cut would happen on any decent road tire. If you run over a sharp object, that's what happens, unfortunately.

[jambee]

Good to read!

It might be a good opportunity to replace them with the new Endurance+ tires from Rene Herse.

[spoonrobot]

I had a similar cut on a Grand Bois Hetre I was running tubeless, I used the large rectangle size Rema patch on the inside and it was fine for ~1500 miles. No bulging under pressure or hop in the tire and I think it's fine.

You decide to get ride of the tire let me know.

[rab]

Is it cut clean through or just partially?
As mentioned you can boot it to keep the tube from bulging, and the other thing you can do prior to boot/patching is pinch it open as in the pic and squeeze some shoe goo into the cut, let it relax and dry, then boot. If you boot, try a bigger section of old tire casing (remove rubber tread) and give plenty of space around the cut. Sand inside of the tire casing and then rinse w acetone or alcohol, then glue w shoe glue, barge cement etc. far from perfect and may be a discernible bump but should be safe to ride. We used to do this all the time with cut road tires we we didn’t want to toss and I’ve never seen one cause an issue. The boot/patch can be prone to coming off depending on how well you were able to get it to adhere. Seems some tires easier than others...
I know some people freak when they see a cut but it’s on the tread. Sidewalls a different story...of course this is just experience of myself and friends so take it at that but could be worth a try. Good luck!

[93KgBike]

If the inner tube can breach the casing, then it would be better to try that other tire you've been thinking of.

I have not tried the Rene Herse tires since the rebrand. I do like Panaracer's new road tires, so I'll probably try them at some point, but maybe first dig out my old Mr. Tuffys

[djm]

Originally Posted by thwart

Actually, I'm surprised at the tread depth (we're talking thick!) on my Barlow Pass tires. My guess is the 'suppleness' is primarily due to sidewall design.

Then again, I have the standard version, not the EL.

Compass / Rene Herse tires have reasonably thick treads for road tires; my front Baby Shoe Pass EL has plenty of wear left after 10,000 KM. The tire casings are lightweight, especially the EL variants, and there is no anti-puncture layer.

[SlowPokePete]

Wow...I've never had any tire last that long.

SPP

[jambee]

10k km is a lot. I never had any tire last that long, but that's probably related to my weight and where I ride.

Curious to see what @JanHeine will say.

[djm]

Originally Posted by SlowPokePete

Wow...I've never had any tire last that long.

I used to get ~1500 Km out of a 700 x 23. A 42 mm tire at 45 psi has a large contact patch. Ive put more than 14,000 miles on 42 mm Schwalbe Marathon Supremes, but those are truck tires.