The correct pronunciation of Pannier

[bobswire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmXnaX-5d8g

[RonW87]

Same as foyer.

[velotel]

Foyer, no, not at least as remember its pronunciation. Pannier is more like 'pan yea' with the a sharp a, maybe 'pan yay' would be a closer sound.

[Ozz]

Originally Posted by velotel

Foyer, no, not at least as remember its pronunciation. Pannier is more like 'pan yea' with the a sharp a, maybe 'pan yay' would be a closer sound.

did you watch the video?

I thought "pan-yay" as well....I was wrong.

[Louis]

I can't watch the video from here (slow connection) but I can say that it depends on whether you want to use the French pronunciation, or the more typical "American saying a French word" pronunciation.

I can also say that "pan near" is not the French way, and "pah nyay" (as is "yay for our side") is a lot closer.

[redir]

Pan-yea? Hmmm That's the way my family from Rhode Island would say it. For me it's always been pan-knee-air.

[jtakeda]

I’ve always said Pan near

[HenryA]

Saddlebag.

[Mark McM]

Sheldon Brown said:

Derailer, Not Derailleur!

Traditionally, in U.S. usage, the gear-change mechanism we all know and love has been called a "derailleur." This is actually a French word, but it is commonly pronounced in an anglicized manner, as "de-RAIL-er" or "de-RAIL-yur." The actual French pronunciation is more like "day-RYE-EUH" but nobody says that when speaking English. The proper French spelling is "dérailleur," not "derailleur."

[d_douglas]

There is no point in trying to rationalize a French word with an English pronunciation. Just pronounce it as a French speak would. It isn't novel that 'derailleur' is pronounced differently in France (or Switzerland where I lived) - that is actually how you should say it.

I would walk into a shop and say, 'merde, j'ai cassé mon derailleur aujourd'hui' with my best accent and they would laugh insidiously as I reached for my credit card to pay the handsome sum to replace it. It's 'day-rye-yoor', not 'dee-rail-er'

<-- un banane qui danse -

[prototoast]

How many posts deep do you think this thread can get without anybody actually watching the video?

[donevwil]

Originally Posted by prototoast

How many posts deep do you think this thread can get without anybody actually watching the video?

I am finding it quite amusing.

[yinzerniner]

Originally Posted by d_douglas

There is no point in trying to rationalize a French word with an English pronunciation. Just pronounce it as a French speak would. It isn't novel that 'derailleur' is pronounced differently in France (or Switzerland where I lived) - that is actually how you should say it.

I would walk into a shop and say, 'merde, j'ai cassé mon derailleur aujourd'hui' with my best accent and they would laugh insidiously as I reached for my credit card to pay the handsome sum to replace it. It's 'day-rye-yoor', not 'dee-rail-er'

<-- un banane qui danse -

So instead of pronouncing Douglas like "dug-less" or "dug-glass" you pronounce it in the traditional Gaelic tongue ie "doo - glass?"

Words vary depending on how, when and where they are spoken.

[Ozz]

according to the video (in summary): the French word "pannier" means basket (of really any kind) and is pronounced "pan-yay"....the English word "pannier" means the bags hung on the sides of bicycles...the English word is pronounced: pan-year

At least according to the Merriam Webster French-English dictionary expert on the video.....he provides other examples of French words adopted into English and why the French pronunciation does not work....

Cheers.

[ryker]

I thought the video was interesting. I've always used a French pronunciation as Darren argues above. That seems to be the norm in Canadian English in my experience. But if the word 'pannier' isn't a current word in French (or Quebecois French), my pronunciation is probably bogus.

As an experiment I searched for 'pannier' on the online shop www.xxcycle.fr. When you have your language set to English, you find the Ortleib bags we know and love. When you have your language set to French, you get a front rack with a basket. To find Ortlieb bags using French, search for 'sacoches'.