Another all road release: parlee ouray

[yinzerniner]

Originally Posted by nmrt

The TT slope and the stem angle do not juxtapose.

So you mean that the stem and TT match? Since “not juxtapose” means they’re NOT at odds

But seriously looks nice but lack of storage / mount options seems like an oversight. Decent geo, but no pricing info. Can’t be cheap if it’s custom.

[prototoast]

Geometry looks pretty upright, and price is a bit steep, but it's good to see Parlee putting out something new, and I hope they have success with this.

[Likes2ridefar]

And it’s made in EU. Eye popping price is my guess!

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by Likes2ridefar

And it’s made in EU. Eye popping price is my guess!

$5,299 for a frameset, per bikerumor. https://bikerumor.com/new-parlee-our...all-road-bike/

[Philster]

Lots of choice in this category at this point. I count 4 launches in 10 days. BMC, Enve, FiftyOne, and Parlee.

[nmrt]

Looks like 2024 is the year of the All Road bike -- road-ish geometry with longer wheelbase and 38 - 40 mm tire clearance. Unfortunately, I want a quiver, not a quiver-killer.

Nice finish though.

Originally Posted by Philster

Lots of choice in this category at this point. I count 4 launches in 10 days. BMC, Enve, FiftyOne, and Parlee.

[Philster]

Originally Posted by nmrt

Looks like 2024 is the year of the All Road bike -- road-ish geometry with longer wheelbase and 38 - 40 mm tire clearance. Unfortunately, I want a quiver, not a quiver-killer.

Nice finish though.

This type of bike is part of a quiver. It’s the in between bike for when your road bike and gravel bike aren’t quite right.

I’ve been on a quest to find what I call the 50/50. For rides that are half dirt and half pavement.

[nmrt]

I like how you think. Making a quiver killer into a n+1.

Originally Posted by Philster

This type of bike is part of a quiver. It’s the in between bike for when your road bike and gravel bike aren’t quite right.

I’ve been on a quest to find what I call the 50/50. For rides that are half dirt and half pavement.

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by Philster

Lots of choice in this category at this point. I count 4 launches in 10 days. BMC, Enve, FiftyOne, and Parlee.

The FiftyOne Sika seems the best of the bunch -- the rest are too tall and too short in the reach to be ridden seriously.. And the Sika is borderline there.

[nmrt]

This is the new "Real Rider" geometry. Whether it fits "Fake Riders" or not, methinks a vast majority of riders (to whom the bike is targeted) will find the geometry appealing -- more stack and short reach. I do believe that Enve and Parlee and the other bunch have done their homework here.

Originally Posted by Clean39T

The FiftyOne Sika seems the best of the bunch -- the rest are too tall and too short in the reach to be ridden seriously.. And the Sika is borderline there.

[yinzerniner]

Originally Posted by Clean39T

The FiftyOne Sika seems the best of the bunch -- the rest are too tall and too short in the reach to be ridden seriously.. And the Sika is borderline there.

Isn’t that kind of the point with these all road bikes? That they’re made for people who just can’t fit the typical road race geo without a ton of spacers, stem and bar adjustment / additions?

I believe that it’s been mentioned a few times on the escape collective podcasts that they hoped for fast bikes that look good with more relaxed geo. Seems like some manufactures listened.

For sure there will continue to be pro-level racing bikes in the future, but having a bike that looks, rides and feels like a pro bike without requiring pro weight and flexibility can only be a good thing, right?

And integrated storage and mounts for these are a nice add on, but don’t see it as being a full stop requirement. But between this and the Endurace, Fray, Roadmaxhine, Domane, and Roubaix it’s getting a bit crowded in a good way.

[nmrt]

I agree with all you've said. And I am saying the same thing. However, the other side of the coin in the geometry of a road race bike --- Tarmac, Enonda etc. The people buying these new gen all road bikes will have to forgo the experience of the razor sharp handling that is innate in a road race bike. Maybe they are not looking for that. But boy-o-boy, the way a 980 mm-ish (wheelbase -- size 54) road race bike with it's 56 mm-ish trail carves corners is nothing short of true joy.

If you ask me, if there is the means, there ought to be a pure road race bike in one's quiver.

Originally Posted by yinzerniner

Isn’t that kind of the point with these all road bikes? That they’re made for people who just can’t fit the typical road race geo without a ton of spacers, stem and bar adjustment / additions?

I believe that it’s been mentioned a few times on the escape collective podcasts that they hoped for fast bikes that look good with more relaxed geo. Seems like some manufactures listened.

For sure there will continue to be pro-level racing bikes in the future, but having a bike that looks, rides and feels like a pro bike without requiring pro weight and flexibility can only be a good thing, right?

And integrated storage and mounts for these are a nice add on, but don’t see it as being a full stop requirement. But between this and the Endurace, Fray, Roadmaxhine, Domane, and Roubaix it’s getting a bit crowded in a good way.

[yinzerniner]

Originally Posted by nmrt

I agree with all you've said. And I am saying the same thing. However, the other side of the coin in the geometry of a road race bike --- Tarmac, Enonda etc. The people buying these new gen all road bikes will have to forgo the experience of the razor sharp handling that is innate in a road race bike. Maybe they are not looking for that. But boy-o-boy, the way a 980 mm-ish (wheelbase -- size 54) road race bike with it's 56 mm-ish trail carves corners is nothing short of true joy.

If you ask me, if there is the means, there ought to be a pure road race bike in one's quiver.

Very valid point. Wonder if it’s possible to make an all-road frame designed for 32-35mm tires handle / feel exactly the same as a 25-28mm tire road race frame. Keep wheelbase, chainstays, trail, st and TT angles all the same but just increase BB drop and stack/reach figures. Fray seems closest although even that has a much slacker HT than most race frames, and that seems to be common in the “All road” category

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by yinzerniner

Very valid point. Wonder if it’s possible to make an all-road frame designed for 32-35mm tires handle / feel exactly the same as a 25-28mm tire road race frame. Keep wheelbase, chainstays, trail, st and TT angles all the same but just increase BB drop and stack/reach figures. Fray seems closest although even that has a much slacker HT than most race frames, and that seems to be common in the “All road” category

Most of the bikes being raced at the world tour right now fit 32 mm tires, and many fit 35 or more.

[nmrt]

I wonder how the current gen true road race bikes that can take 35 mm tires will ride with 32 or 35 mm tires. Will the gain in comfort given by the low pressure wide tires alter significantly that road race "handling" one is looking for.

What I mean is are wide tires (whatever "wide" might be defined as) and road race bike handling mutually exclusive? From experience, I know that 28 mm tires on my Emonda still gets the giggles from me. Will 32? Will 35? Dunno.

Originally Posted by yinzerniner

Very valid point. Wonder if it’s possible to make an all-road frame designed for 32-35mm tires handle / feel exactly the same as a 25-28mm tire road race frame. Keep wheelbase, chainstays, trail, st and TT angles all the same but just increase BB drop and stack/reach figures. Fray seems closest although even that has a much slacker HT than most race frames, and that seems to be common in the “All road” category