What is "stage race geometry"? - Page 3

Grant McLean · #31 12-03-2007, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-RICHIE

the angle has nothing to do with the intended
use of the frame atmo. all it does is position you.

It's just an observation...
but these days I see a lot of bikes with the seat pretty far forward.
Some of the folks I've asked, how did they determine their saddle position?
...and several responded "that's where I installed the seat when I bought a new one"

How widely practiced is the idea of the fit starting with cleats and saddle set back ?
From the number of straight/no offset posts get purchased at our shop,
and the number of stems between 8 and 10 cm... It would make you think
that people are smaller than a generation of riders ago... Or do people just
move their seat forward to reduce the reach when their back hurts?

just askin'

-g

e-RICHIE · #32 12-03-2007, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant McLean

It's just an observation...
but these days I see a lot of bikes with the seat pretty far forward.
Some of the folks I've asked, how did they determine their saddle position?
...and several responded "that's where I installed the seat when I bought a new one"

we all were new once atmo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant McLean

How widely practiced is the idea of the fit starting with cleats and saddle set back ?

around here it's a 4 lane highway atmo.
one direction, at that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant McLean

From the number of straight/no offset posts get purchased at our shop,
and the number of stems between 8 and 10 cm... It would make you think
that people are smaller than a generation of riders ago...

i am big.
it's the pictures that got small.
apologies to norma desmond.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant McLean

Or do people just
move their seat forward to reduce the reach when their back hurts?

ackkkkkkk.
the universe is expanding. the universe is everything, and if
it's expanding, someday it will break apart and that will be
the end of everything atmo.
apologies to alvy singer.

DarrenCT · #33 12-03-2007, 08:20 PM

rs,

that blonde youtube girl has been on my mind all day.

whoz fault is it!?!

I Want Sachs? · #34 12-03-2007, 08:30 PM

http://www.steelmancycles.com/sr.html

Darrell · #35 12-03-2007, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-RICHIE

it's a mythical niche born out of the misinformed writings of
cyclojournalists for whom riding was a hobby at best atmo.
i feel better now.

agreed

Chris · #36 12-03-2007, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant McLean

It's just an observation...
but these days I see a lot of bikes with the seat pretty far forward.
Some of the folks I've asked, how did they determine their saddle position?
...and several responded "that's where I installed the seat when I bought a new one"

How widely practiced is the idea of the fit starting with cleats and saddle set back ?
From the number of straight/no offset posts get purchased at our shop,
and the number of stems between 8 and 10 cm... It would make you think
that people are smaller than a generation of riders ago... Or do people just
move their seat forward to reduce the reach when their back hurts?

just askin'

-g

Good question. I have played with my position a lot over the years. I am now the slightest bit forward from the center of the rails on a Thomson no set back post. This frustrates me, because I don't like the aesthetic. I have moved forward to get a little more knee over the pedal spindle and I have two Cannondales which have 72.5 degree seat angles which has caused me to have to come a little more forward on the rails compared to previous bikes that were more upright in their seat angles (73 - 73.5). I did a lot of looking at different frames today and it seems that in a 59 or 60, 72.5 is now the norm. I would love to edge the seat back ever so slightly though to get back that element of kewl. Someone please tell me that I should...

Darrell · #37 12-03-2007, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-RICHIE

so far we have a consensus atmo.
hang the cyclojournalists.

NO

A public stoning is more fun
because we get to participate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNeq2...eature=related

1centaur · #38 12-03-2007, 09:12 PM

Despite the negativity to those cyclojournalists, the description earlier in this thread of angles and lengths is EXACTLY what comes to mind when I hear "stage race geometry" and is exactly what I like in a bike, so I'm happy there's a shorthand term for it, regardless of its origin.

taz-t · #39 12-03-2007, 09:18 PM

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e-RICHIE · #40 12-03-2007, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1centaur

Despite the negativity to those cyclojournalists, the description earlier in this thread of angles and lengths is EXACTLY what comes to mind when I hear "stage race geometry" and is exactly what I like in a bike, so I'm happy there's a shorthand term for it, regardless of its origin.

if you are not comfortable or properly positioned,
you may not finish the race (and win). atmo, the
term should be appropriated to mean that said bicycle
with stage race geometry is the best design whenever
there is an event with a finish line and a prize list atmo.

manet · #41 12-03-2007, 09:27 PM

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Grant McLean · #42 12-03-2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1centaur

Despite the negativity to those cyclojournalists, the description earlier in this thread of angles and lengths is EXACTLY what comes to mind when I hear "stage race geometry" and is exactly what I like in a bike, so I'm happy there's a shorthand term for it, regardless of its origin.

The negativity isn't aimed at the geo,
it's saved for those who want to put said geo in a box.
so called "Stage race geo" makes a great crit bike, imho,
it just makes a great bike - period.

If "stage race geo" was the classic european way to
set up a race bike, at some point a genius decided that
they could made a better bicycle for crits by making a
specialized geo for criteriums. they were wrong, imho.

-g

caleb · #43 12-03-2007, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant McLean

a genius decided that
they could made a better bicycle for crits by making a
specialized geo for criteriums. they were wrong, imho.

-g

Like this?

#44 12-03-2007, 10:47 PM

refrigerated saddle bags and a sharpie to make legible labels?

i think its shorthand for some one aspect of geo in isolation of the others centering around bb drop.. but who knows? blech.

RIHans · #45 12-04-2007, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-RICHIE

the angle has nothing to do with the intended
use of the frame atmo. all it does is position you.

When are they gonna drink the cool-aid?

Folks, it's all about fit. Contact points. How You Feel around that nasty lefthander with a bump. Confident?

And good wheels don't hurt at all.

Edit.... The bike should be where I want it to be.

How to say, the bike goes where I look ahead.