Ti experts wanted: VaMoots comparison

[PNW]

I would pick whatever one aesthetically is most pleasing to YOU since everyone here has their own opinions on level TT’s and sloping. Only you can determine stiffness differences on those bikes.

[Seramount]

disclaimer: I've never ridden a Moots.

but, from a purely aesthetic POV, the SL would be my choice.

[cycle-spinner]

I have an SL and an RSL. LOVE BOTH. The RSL is way stiffer than any other Ti bike I’ve ridden - I’ve ridden a lot. I had a CR. The SL and CR are really close. I like the look of your SL. Once your riding you will never notice a difference. It’s just aesthetics. Good luck.

[wallymann]

Originally Posted by tuscanyswe

Its not sloping tho ?

i see a very slight sloping TT, which IMO is the way to do it.

[Hilltopperny]

Ridden and owned a few different titanium bikes. I'm only 5'8 and 200lb give or take. My experience with the larger tube diameters on ti definitely made them feel stiffer up front than my old 1 1/8" bikes.

[Mikej]

Originally Posted by Hilltopperny

Ridden and owned a few different titanium bikes. I'm only 5'8 and 200lb give or take. My experience with the larger tube diameters on ti definitely made them feel stiffer up front than my old 1 1/8" bikes.

Would the old 1-1/8 ht be from an older ti frame? The new bikes I’ve been riding are using larger diameter top down and chain stays. I would agree that older ti in general is more forgiving (can be made this way) however a newer ti bike with a 1-1/8 ht is just as stiff to me. Anyway I’d build up that CR op- and ride it!

[Mikej]

Originally Posted by wallymann

i see a very slight sloping TT, which IMO is the way to do it.

Kent Eriksen had a 1.5 degrees top tube slope on Moots for decades.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Mikej

Kent Eriksen had a 1.5 degrees top tube slope on Moots for decades.

Really depends on the fit. Standover vs 'required or asked for', head tube length. On my Vamoots..I had this standover(don't remember what it was) but asked for a fairly long headtube..so got a sloping top tube..

[Hilltopperny]

Originally Posted by Mikej

Would the old 1-1/8 ht be from an older ti frame? The new bikes I’ve been riding are using larger diameter top down and chain stays. I would agree that older ti in general is more forgiving (can be made this way) however a newer ti bike with a 1-1/8 ht is just as stiff to me. Anyway I’d build up that CR op- and ride it!

Yes, one was a 2003 vamoots and the other was a 1999 serotta concours. Both were great riding bikes.

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[855]

Originally Posted by Mikej

Kent Eriksen had a 1.5 degrees top tube slope on Moots for decades.

that´s right and my SL has 1.5 slope

[Mikej]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Really depends on the fit. Standover vs 'required or asked for', head tube length. On my Vamoots..I had this standover(don't remember what it was) but asked for a fairly long headtube..so got a sloping top tube..

Stock vamoots, obviously custom was different, but stocks bikes had a slight tick and a half of slope - even in 1999!

[Mikej]

Originally Posted by Hilltopperny

Yes, one was a 2003 vamoots and the other was a 1999 serotta concours. Both were great riding bikes.

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You had an 03 vamoots with a 44mm ht?

[Hilltopperny]

Originally Posted by Mikej

You had an 03 vamoots with a 44mm ht?

No 1 1/8"

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[855]

it was time for the alteration...

after 10 years of riding my SL i make the move to the CR. and it was worth it, way stiffer and better to pilot.

the SL frameset keep the place in my heart (and under my bed).

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by uber

You most likely need both of those frames.

^^^This guy gets it.

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

I'd ride the SL just cuz it looks better with a more horizontal top tube.

Yeah, if I had to pick just one it'd be that one for that reason.