warranties that don't mean much - OPEN U.P.?

[weaponsgrade]

OP, that sucks. My brother was close to buying one last year, but went with a Stigmata instead. Hope it works out.

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by tomato coupe

I didn't say it would solve your problem.

Re-reading your first post, you stated you now have a 1x setup and no longer have chain suck. Is that correct?

Yeah. 1x has been great except I prefer 2x but rather have a working bike. If you read the site and comments you will learn that both owners are very much about 1x. Of course this is my opinion but i think 2x on that bike was an after thought.

[vespasianus]

Originally Posted by R3awak3n

Hambibi can be blunt for sure but to be honest he has done this with a ton of brands so not sure he has a vendetta against a single brand. He likes look for example and everyone knows how well built those bikes are so I believe some of his rants. As far as the color scheme, its all personal preference for sure but I think he was just kidding that it looked like a disney blanket.

Yeah, he does not seem to like anything! The one thing I don't think is fair is to generalize an entire brand based upon a single sample size.

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by fignon's barber

This is a good tidbit of info. Made it worth wading through 3 pages of troll-response, troll-response. Thank you.

I need to listen to that podcast, interested now.

As far as the troll responses, as you can see, I am in an excellent mood today

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by vespasianus

Yeah, he does not seem to like anything! The one thing I don't think is fair is to generalize an entire brand based upon a single sample size.

I agree with that sentiment and trust me, when I was having all those chain suck issues I kept quite and thought, hey maybe its me, or maybe its this specific combo of components. Only when they told me that they have others complain of the same thing I was like, wait so yall know about this but don't post about it anywhere?

[colker]

Originally Posted by vespasianus

Yeah, he does not seem to like anything! The one thing I don't think is fair is to generalize an entire brand based upon a single sample size.

Hambini is an engineer. He points out mechanical flaws. Engineering is either good or it´s not.
If one sample is bad it means QC svcks. The frame in the video has very bad bb tolerances and it should not pass through QC even if it costs 10x less.
I won´t even go into the voids on the carbon since i did not see any proof even if i believe it´s there.

[tomato coupe]

Originally Posted by colker

Hambini is an engineer. He points out mechanical flaws. Engineering is either good or it´s not.
If one sample is bad it means QC svcks. The frame in the video has very bad bb tolerances and it should not pass through QC even if it costs 10x less.

Actually, it's not clear that the bottom bracket is out of spec, if you reference the specs as defined by FSA. The tolerances that Hambini quotes in his video apply to one side of the bottom bracket. The specs on the other side are quite a bit more lax. The concentricity of the two sides seems to just squeak by.

[colker]

Originally Posted by tomato coupe

Actually, it's not clear that the bottom bracket is out of spec, if you reference the specs as defined by FSA. The tolerances that Hambini quotes in his video apply to one side of the bottom bracket. The specs on the other side are quite a bit more lax. The concentricity of the two sides seems to just squeak by.

I saw a BB shell out of spec at both ends. Badly out of spec at one of the ends. No way that frame should leave any shop to the hands of any rider.

[charliedid]

"I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vics"

Sorry, Friday night...

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by colker

Hambini is an engineer. He points out mechanical flaws. Engineering is either good or it´s not.
If one sample is bad it means QC svcks. The frame in the video has very bad bb tolerances and it should not pass through QC even if it costs 10x less.
I won´t even go into the voids on the carbon since i did not see any proof even if i believe it´s there.

Hambini is an engineer, but he's sure not an economist. A Shimano bottom bracket costs about $20. A Hambini bottom bracket costs about $300. Shimano bottom brackets work very well for most people. Even if I believe most of his statements on engineering, I'm still not convinced any company should listen to what he says.

[colker]

Originally Posted by prototoast

Hambini is an engineer, but he's sure not an economist. A Shimano bottom bracket costs about $20. A Hambini bottom bracket costs about $300. Shimano bottom brackets work very well for most people. Even if I believe most of his statements on engineering, I'm still not convinced any company should listen to what he says.

Most of his videos are about the frames where his BB go or cranksets that also go on his BB. His pet peeve is sram cranksets... not shimano BB.

[John H.]

This is the podcast.

http://thegravelride.bike/ruckus-com...sk-the-experts

Originally Posted by fignon's barber

This is a good tidbit of info. Made it worth wading through 3 pages of troll-response, troll-response. Thank you.

[tomato coupe]

Originally Posted by colker

I saw a BB shell out of spec at both ends. Badly out of spec at one of the ends. No way that frame should leave any shop to the hands of any rider.

Out of spec based on the tolerances Hambini quotes, or by the tolerances specified by FSA?

[colker]

Originally Posted by tomato coupe

Out of spec based on the tolerances Hambini quotes, or by the tolerances specified by FSA?

Based on the test he did on camera when he showed one side was too tight while the other was too large . Watch the video.. Did you? Anyways i am done here. Keep the good work.

[tomato coupe]

Originally Posted by colker

Based on the test he did on camera when he showed one side was too tight while the other was too large . Watch the video.. Did you?

Yes, I watched the video. He quotes the bottom bracket internal diameter as 45.95-46.00, and proceeds to test that with four gages that measure 45.96, 45.98, 46.00, and 46.02, so his gages don't have enough range to check the lower limit.

FSA specs the internal diameter as 46.00 +0.00, -0.05 on one side, but 46.0 ±.0.2 on the other with a concentricity of 0.1.