Cinelli Grammo

[CDollarsign]

Are Cinelli Grammo quills particularly stiff? Compared to a 1A? I recently received an ITM stem which has more of a race track cross sectional shape which is probably good for bending but not torsion as it seems very apt to twist under load. I don’t recall my 1A doing that (circular cross section profile - seemingly beefier).

FYI - will not consider quill adapter.

[thwart]

Several here undoubtedly have more experience with this stem, but for me the (titanium) Grammo seemed fairly flexy, moreso than the 1A... which for me actually was a positive given my age and previous neck and shoulder injuries.

I don't currently have a bike fitted with one, but that's more due to not having a threaded fork around than dissatisfaction with its performance.

[Mark McM]

I've got a Grammo threadless stem on one bike, and a Grammo quill stem on another. They are some of the flexiest stems I've used (but they do improve compliance at the handlebars).

[bigbill]

I have one that I bought in the 90's for my Litespeed. It replaced a Cinelli 1A and was noticeably flexy. But it looked cool and I got used to it.

[saab2000]

I used to have a 140mm Cinelli Grammo stem and enjoyed it. I didn't find it particularly flexible personally but I don't find a lot of things troublesome due to flex. It served well but I no longer have it due to having purged a ton of things in the past few years.

I enjoyed having semi-rare or unusual items in my collection and this fit that bill. There were Grammos in the 1990s but the threadless ones weren't very common, especially in this length.

[wildboar]

I've had some other ti quills (3ttt) and noticed they developed some unwanted movement due to the quill getting worn by the thin edge of the titanium at the interface, not like an aluminum stem which is thicker. Hard to describe. I wouldn't mind having an anodized grammo-art stem though.