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We all know people are on a bell curve. You are just mistaken if you think a substantial # of people are outside the bell curve enough to break BMI and yet are ultra low body fat elite athletes. Hang around the NFL or Mr. Olympia or a strongman contest and everyone will have an Obese BMI and sub 10% body fat. It doesn't work there. But it works for the population as a whole so it shouldn't be thrown away. The problem is where the population fits on the curve. Most of the people now have an overweight or obese BMI. But if you plot % Body fat on a Bell curve you'd see that % Body Fat has shifted higher just as BMI has shifted higher. We do not have an epidemic of people turning into heavily muscled sub-10% body fat individuals who break BMI... we have an epidemic of almost everyone's % BF and BMI have moved upwards in lock-step. There is no need for you to make it personal unless your doctor is a twit and looks at your BMI and tells you that you have to lose weight and never gets to the step of considering your % Body Fat or your blood markers. I think that is mostly a strawman... who has actually gone to the doctor at 10% BF or less with overweight BMI and had that happen? If that happens you find a new doctor. I'm only 10lbs or so off being "overweight" as well and my BF is in the 10% range even when I'm not cycling a ton. I have never had a doctor say a thing. And when I was in my early 20s I WAS overweight on BMI and was "overfat", I was more like 205 and not fit at all. And again the doctor never said a thing despite me being at least 15lbs over the limit. Last edited by benb; 12-06-2022 at 12:14 PM. |
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on 1 person, dude your views of the world are barbaric at best
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one point I'll remake from one of XX's previous posts..
the BMI chart was created solely by and for health insurance actuaries to help gauge what premium a person should have.. now I've been around long enough to know that when the accountants have a hand in anything they will always err on the side of who they are representing (as they should probably).. just a thought..
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The gym is not necessarily the bastion of health and fitness marketers would have you believe. Lots of false fitness archetypes - particularly for women. Years ago, I had a young (early twenties) client I'll call "M." M was about 5'10 and 330 pounds. Morbidly obese by any metric. After a year and change of working with both myself and a nutritionist, he got down to 240, which, granted, is still overweight, but represented tremendous progress. And he couldn't move below that number. For months, no matter how diligent the workouts (he was always consistent) or his eating regimen (I had no first hand knowledge of that but I consulted with his nutritionist regularly) I have no idea what was going on there. But it's too easy just to say "personal failing." It's much more complex. I'm much better trying to figure out the issue from the perspective of my previous profession (as a journalist) than my current one. I also say this: even at 5'10 and 240, "M" was much fitter than someone who routinely deprived themselves of calories and didn't move. I know a few people like that. One more note, for lack of a better term, "fat prejudice" is one of the last remaining acceptable forms of bigotry there is. I'm not immune to it myself. There was an article I recently read on how politics divides families, and all I could think about was "look how fat those people are." I'm not proud of that sentiment, but it's true. Last edited by XXtwindad; 12-06-2022 at 12:45 PM. |
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Regarding BMI charts, I had an analogous discussion with our pediatricians on several occasions in the past.
For those we haven't met in person, I'll tell you that our family is on the smaller side. I'm the hulk of the family at 5'6" 150 pounds. At various times, as our children's height and weight were plotted on the standard childhood growth curves, it was pointed out to us that they were lagging behind in height and particularly in weight. There was a definite implication that this was in some way unhealthy and that their calories needed to be increased. So I asked where the data that led to the charts came from. They didn't know, so I did some research. The data was from "normal" children born in the late 1970's for the most part. The same generation that has grown up to have incredible rates of obesity and ill health! The next time it came up in the pediatrician's office we had a much more interesting conversation. And then they really didn't bring it up with us any more. |
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This pretty much covers it for me . . .
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Many of the explanations outlined above by mstateglfr have their root in that. People want easy answers because self-discipline is hard. Personal responsibility is hard. Making truly lasting behavioral changes that are necessary for long term weight loss, fitness, and good health is hard. It's much easier to make self-justifying excuses (like "it's my genetics"), gobble "diet pills" engage in the latest pseudo-fitness fad for several weeks, play the fat shaming victim or just blame it on somebody/something else. Between other jobs some years ago I got my certification and worked as a personal trainer for a year. It was incredibly frustrating to try to explain the simple "calories in vs. calories out" equation to so many clients because it meant they had to do something that took self-discipline, personal responsibility, and consistent behavior change–because they just didn't want to do any of those things. Our society has trained people (at least the fellow Americans I've seen) that they can avoid all of these things without paying a price, and so they just won't believe they are personally at fault or they personally need to do anything about it. BBD
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I'm blaming bike marketers! We use to think slim bike frame tubes, elegant skinny chainrings and skinny pointed rims were the way to go.
Now they say those fat bloated C.F. frames with lumpy cranksets and wide U shaped rims are the ticket. So is it my fault if I try to emulate that with my body? I say NOT!!! Last edited by jamesdak; 12-06-2022 at 03:16 PM. |
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BMI is a screening tool. It isn’t perfect, but it’s a useful starting point. What I haven’t seen mentioned here is the use of waist-to-hip ratio, which some studies have concluded may be a better health predictor. Based on XXTwindad’s photo, I suspect his WHR puts him in a healthy category.
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I can paint one broad stroke here. If you, a physician, clinician or otherwise, are relying exclusively on one data point such as BMI to determine your health, the job is not being done properly. I feel like a lot of this thread is primarily being driven by the OP being salty that he's being defined as overweight, and refuses to get over the label. You clearly have a better understanding of what being healthy means, and understand that BMI in context doesn't have any appreciable meaning for more athletic people. Why are you so hung up on it? |
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From some interactions, and other threads, these are interesting topics for general discussion. Dude is not worried about what others, or the BMI chart, say about his body composition. It's about relevant, interesting convos on an interwebs forum with a group of different people.
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Ban the Big Gulp!
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